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Your own silly bible says that life begins at the first breath
After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.
In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
Even using your crazy superstitions based on your silly book, life begins when man takes a breath, not before.
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It's an astounding lack of logic that you can't tell me why it matters.
It matters because you say that "life begins at conception" when it clearly does not. Life is not life if it cannot survive. Detach a fetus from the mother and it withers away and dies because it's not a viable life form. This is basic 5th grade science. You finished elementary school, right?
It all boils down to the fact that you are unable to understand that forcing a woman to endure 9 months of agony because you are part of a powerful cult is wrong and evil. You are evil for trying to torture women because you want to push your beliefs on them.
Do you believe that an Erection must result in a pregnancy? Is premature ejaculation or nocturnal emmission a crime in your eyes? What about masturbation? When does conception begin? After all, every sperm in my body has the chance to become a life...
It's an astounding lack of logic that you can't tell me why it matters.
Life, by their definition, is when any organism is a cell, and that cell divides.
So my finger nails are alive, I guess I shouldn't cut them. But if I do cut it, it can not exist with me, the host organism. Much like zygot can not live without its host.
Your own silly bible says that life begins at the first breath
After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.
In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
Even using your crazy superstitions based on your silly book, life begins when man takes a breath, not before.
This is all so beyond ridiculous it doesn't merit a response. Bible scholar you ain't.
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Originally Posted by ThinkBeforeYouVote
Life is not life if it cannot survive. Detach a fetus from the mother and it withers away and dies because it's not a viable life form.
Detach a heart patient from his pacemaker and he withers away and dies.
Detach a kidney patient from his dialysis machine and he withers away and dies.
Detach a pneumonia patient from his respirator and he withers away and dies.
Detach a hypertension patient from his medicine and he withers away and dies.
Detach a nursing infant from his mother or caretakers and he withers away and dies.
And these people are not living? I guess not, because in your own words - "Life is not life if it cannot survive".
Don't give me your "viability vs. survival on their own" bull crap. You need to explain why the difference matters. Thus far you haven't even tried because, quite frankly, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Life, by their definition, is when any organism is a cell, and that cell divides.
So my finger nails are alive, I guess I shouldn't cut them. But if I do cut it, it can not exist with me, the host organism. Much like zygot can not live without its host.
Could you possibly come up with a weaker straw man?
2,500 physicians believe that fingernails are human beings?
"Viability determines the beginning of human life because ____________________." (Please fill in the blank.)
You claimed that "science" supports this view. "Science": that's your word, your claim. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that you fill in the blank with something scientific.
I'm gone for the day, will check back in the morning for your answer. Thanks in advance.
Its not a straw man, its using the scientific definition of "life" in which you seemed to be so happy to champion ealier.
There are two elements that create a human life: 1. Humanity; 2. Life.
Try to follow me here.
Houseplants are living, but they are not human. A dead man is human, but he is not living. The question is whether an embryo at conception is a human life. 2,500 OB-GYNs publicly affirm that an embryo at conception is a human life. That does not imply that your fingernail is a human life, or that male sperm is a human life, or that anything else at all is a human life. Clear enough?
There are two elements that create a human life: 1. Humanity; 2. Life.
Try to follow me here.
Houseplants are living, but they are not human. A dead man is human, but he is not living. The question is whether an embryo at conception is a human life. 2,500 OB-GYNs publicly affirm that human life begins at conception. That does not imply that your fingernail is a human life, or that male sperm is a human life, or that anything else at all is a human life. Clear enough?
A division of cells, with no brain, is as much a human as a hand without a body. Its not alive.
There are two elements that create a human life: 1. Humanity; 2. Life.
Try to follow me here.
Houseplants are living, but they are not human. A dead man is human, but he is not living. The question is whether an embryo at conception is a human life. 2,500 OB-GYNs publicly affirm that an embryo at conception is a human life. That does not imply that your fingernail is a human life, or that male sperm is a human life, or that anything else at all is a human life. Clear enough?
By definition, sperm is human life, Einstein. What you people do is arbitrarily select conception as the point at which "human life begins." You say it all the time. Of course, the process of creating a new human being begins long before that. I have no doubt that someday the anti-abortion zealots will move the yardsticks back, prior to conception. It will happen.
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