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I heard a brilliant caller express this thought on the Todd Schnitt talk show today. Implicit in the whole 'war on women' dustup is that all women are concerned about is abortion and contraception.
As if to say 'you women get back to your clinic (kitchen). You worry about abortion (cooking). Don't you worry your pretty head bout no economics or foreign policy. You leave that to us menfolk.'
Republicans by contrast don't regard abortion as a "women's issue." Nor do we obversely regard economics and foreign policy as a men's issue. We don't slice & dice people into identity groups like that.
Good for you, but this is a rather simplistic interpretation of the debate. Do you think because a woman cares about female-related issues (and yes, abortion IS mostly a woman's problem - considering men have the option of avoidance), that means we don't ALSO care about non-female-specific issues? Nobody has told me I can only worry about one thing, so why can't I be worried about economics and foreign policy too? I guess you think only Republicans have the right solutions to those problems, but obviously there are many who disagree... so please stop assuming that if a woman cares about women's issues, and plans to vote Dem, they are thus ignoring everything else on the plate. I am way more offended by that assumption of yours, FYI.
I heard a brilliant caller express this thought on the Todd Schnitt talk show today. Implicit in the whole 'war on women' dustup is that all women are concerned about is abortion and contraception.
As if to say 'you women get back to your clinic (kitchen). You worry about abortion (cooking). Don't you worry your pretty head bout no economics or foreign policy. You leave that to us menfolk.'
Republicans by contrast don't regard abortion as a "women's issue." Nor do we obversely regard economics and foreign policy as a men's issue. We don't slice & dice people into identity groups like that.
Well, let's face it: men are more naturally drawn to worldly problems and issues, and women to issues of home and hearth. That's perfectly normal. Exceptions come along here and there, but there's no reason why we should pretend those exceptions are the rule.
We can thank women's suffrage for politicizing home and hearth issues.
Well, let's face it: men are more naturally drawn to worldly problemsand issues, and women to issues of home and hearth. That's perfectly normal. Exceptions come along here and there, but there's no reason why we should pretend those exceptions are the rule.
We can thank women's suffrage for politicizing home and hearth issues.
Good for you, but this is a rather simplistic interpretation of the debate. Do you think because a woman cares about female-related issues (and yes, abortion IS mostly a woman's problem - considering men have the option of avoidance), that means we don't ALSO care about non-female-specific issues? Nobody has told me I can only worry about one thing, so why can't I be worried about economics and foreign policy too? I guess you think only Republicans have the right solutions to those problems, but obviously there are many who disagree... so please stop assuming that if a woman cares about women's issues, and plans to vote Dem, they are thus ignoring everything else on the plate. I am way more offended by that assumption of yours, FYI.
Thanks for reply. But I can't agree that "abortion is mostly a woman's issue." It is mostly a life issue, and btw I am of the pro-choice persuation.
Do you really deny that the Democrats messaging in this campaign has framed as segregating "women's issues." And isn't that inherently sexist? If something is an an issue, it should be an issue for all Americans, not just one group.
Thanks for reply. But I can't agree that "abortion is mostly a woman's issue." It is mostly a life issue, and btw I am of the pro-choice persuation.
In the big picture, yes it is a "life issue" - but as I said, only MEN have the option of avoiding & running away from the actual situation. If I found out I was pregnant today, and my boyfriend wanted nothing to do with it, he could simply flee... I would not have that option, as the pregnancy would be growing inside of my body. No matter how much I may want to avoid it, a decision would eventually HAVE to be made by me.
Keep in mind, that doesn't mean I don't believe men should have opinions on abortion - and of course, I think it's great if a man does care! I'm just saying we're the ones carrying the pregnancy, and cannot wish it away or pretend it doesn't exist (a luxury reserved for the male). Thus, it makes perfect sense that we'd be more concerned about its legality. Right?
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Do you really deny that the Democrats messaging in this campaign has framed as segregating "women's issues." And isn't that inherently sexist? If something is an an issue, it should be an issue for all Americans, not just one group.
I agree that has been a focus in this election, but no, I don't agree it is "sexist." Men are allowed to care about these issues too, and as I said earlier, women can also decide to care about other issues. I'm concerned about women's healthcare, sex education in schools, birth control availability, and keeping abortion legal... does that mean I don't also care about the economy, foreign relations, etc? The only sexist attitude is assuming we do not, or that we're only capable of focusing on one thing at a time. Women are excellent multi-taskers, after all. LOL.
Thanks for reply. But I can't agree that "abortion is mostly a woman's issue." It is mostly a life issue, and btw I am of the pro-choice persuation.
Men should be much more concerned about abortion than they are, but unfortunately this is 2012 and the lights are fading fast. When it comes to human nature alone, sans reason and responsibility, men are one body removed from the question.
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Do you really deny that the Democrats messaging in this campaign has framed as segregating "women's issues."
I certainly don't deny that. And you're right to point out their hypocrisy.
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And isn't that inherently sexist?
I suppose so, though I'm not sure what "sexist" really means these days. To the extent it that simply acknowledges sex differences, it doesn't bother me in the least. To the extent that it exploits sex differences, that's another problem but it's not "sexism".
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If something is an an issue, it should be an issue for all Americans, not just one group.
You mean Americans should vote based on the common good and not just their own personal or group interests? I agree entirely. They should, but they don't, and our system doesn't encourage them to.
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I heard a brilliant caller express this thought on the Todd Schnitt talk show today. Implicit in the whole 'war on women' dustup is that all women are concerned about is abortion and contraception.
As if to say 'you women get back to your clinic (kitchen). You worry about abortion (cooking). Don't you worry your pretty head bout no economics or foreign policy. You leave that to us menfolk.'
Republicans by contrast don't regard abortion as a "women's issue." Nor do we obversely regard economics and foreign policy as a men's issue. We don't slice & dice people into identity groups like that.
Maybe it has something to do with putting the dogma aside, and listening to what WOMEN actually say are their most important issues...
What's not to believe about it? It's always been true and remains true today.
Perhaps on your planet it is......here in the real world, we have moved just a bit beyond such appallingly paternalistic attitudes.
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