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Old 10-24-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Yes and we can place a $48 an hour tariff on the belt buckles. When they pay as much as we the tariff would be gone. Anything else is sheer stupidity and only supports the American investor that owns the #2 an hour buckle factory.
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We can also make hiring illegals a crime and drastically increase enforcement efforts. If caught employing illegal workers the company should be terminated and all of the previous management and directors fined to the full extent of their personal fortunes. This also applies to "labor contractors" supplying workers to Government agencies and the bureaucrats that contracted the companies instead of hiring American citizens. In addition Hb1 immigration and/or off shoring the work would be banned until the pool of American workers were all employed.

This policy would effectively end the economic demand for illegal workers and thus radically diminish the flow of illegals. American employment and wage rates would radically increase as fewer illegals became available.
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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Yes and we can place a $48 an hour tariff on the belt buckles. When they pay as much as we the tariff would be gone. Anything else is sheer stupidity and only supports the American investor that owns the #2 an hour buckle factory.
The belt buckle was a metaphor for all those manufacturing products that China, India and the other emerging economies are producing. Do you plan on slapping tariffs on everything they make too?
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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We can also make hiring illegals a crime and drastically increase enforcement efforts. If caught employing illegal workers the company should be terminated and all of the previous management and directors fined to the full extent of their personal fortunes. This also applies to "labor contractors" supplying workers to Government agencies and the bureaucrats that contracted the companies instead of hiring American citizens. In addition Hb1 immigration and/or off shoring the work would be banned until the pool of American workers were all employed.

This policy would effectively end the economic demand for illegal workers and thus radically diminish the flow of illegals. American employment and wage rates would radically increase as fewer illegals became available.
One reason why employers hire illegals is because our immigrant labor laws are antiquated, cumbersome and very slow. for an example, if farmers followed migrant worker laws to the letter, their crops would rot in the fields without anyone to pick them, or they would pay workers to watch the crops grow until they could be harvested.

So we need to update our laws and streamline the process where applicable.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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I don't think we are goig to solve this problem or correct what brought it about if we balme just certain people or leadership. We need to stop voting for those who promise us more without tellig the price. We alos need to personally be more responsible for our decisions and not balme poor choices on others.Without personal responsiblity we will be lead down the same apoth opf debt to where Greece is and its lokig at anyway of payig for their debt themselves because they destroyed the private sector and lack the means of growth.Too mnay canot be dependent on too few.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: :0)1 CORINTHIANS,13*"KYRIE, ELEISON"*"CHRISTE ELEISON"
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Lightbulb Thanks for the thread.

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Have you ever laid in bed awake at night with a knot in your stomach because you didn't know how your family was possibly going to make it through the next month financially?

Have you ever felt the desperation of not being able to provide the basic necessities for your family even though you tried as hard as you could?

All over America tonight, there are millions of desperate families that are being ripped apart by this economy.

There aren't nearly enough jobs, and millions of Americans that actually do have jobs aren't making enough to even provide the basics for their families.

The following are 37 facts that show how cruel this economy has been to millions of desperate American families...

1. One recent survey discovered that 40 percent of all Americans have $500 or less in savings.

2. A different recent survey found that 28 percent of all Americans do not have a single penny saved for emergencies.

3. In the United States today, there are close to 10 million households that do not have a single bank account. That number has increased by about a million since 2009.

4. Family homelessness in the Washington D.C. region (one of the wealthiest regions in the entire country) has risen 23 percent since the last recession began.

5. The number of Americans living in poverty has increased by about 6 million over the past four years.

6. Median household income has fallen for four years in a row. Overall, it has declined by more than $4000 over the past four years.

7. 62 percent of middle class Americans say that they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.

8. According to a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of middle class Americans say that it is more difficult to maintain a middle class standard of living today than it was 10 years ago.

9. In the United States today, 77 percent of all Americans are living to paycheck to paycheck at least some of the time.

10. In the United States today, more than 41 percent of all working age Americans are not working.


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37 Facts That Show How Cruel This Economy Has Been To Millions Of Desperate American Families


Thank you for the link & thread.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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One reason why employers hire illegals is because our immigrant labor laws are antiquated, cumbersome and very slow. for an example, if farmers followed migrant worker laws to the letter, their crops would rot in the fields without anyone to pick them, or they would pay workers to watch the crops grow until they could be harvested.

So we need to update our laws and streamline the process where applicable.
There is an unlimited number of migrant worker visas available.
No excuse for any farmer to have crops rot in the field.
No excuse for illegals working on the farms.

Problem is, only a tiny percentage of illegals harvest crops.
Too many, way too many, are taking jobs like carpentry, landscaping, roofing, construction, etc., away from the American worker. Greedy business owners, period.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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OICU812 -

Yes. The tariffs would apply to all manufactured and agricultural goods imported to the US. The wage rates involved in the production would have to match our wages before the tariff was eliminated.

Farmers in our region, principally orchards, have used legal immigrant labor for decades. They do not seem to have an problem. Nor do the immigrants that work here from spring to fall and return to the Caribbean for winter.

To reduce the draw for illegal immigration retail stores, warehouses and food processors would be fined or shut down and their executives jailed for hiring illegal immigrants. Eliminate the market and you eliminate the problem.
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