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Old 01-04-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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I was actually thinking of a 5-year plan with my preposition. Wal-Mart could afford to do it in a year and still put back quite a bit for the company and build upon its savings.

 
Old 01-04-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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Well then you have it right there. The company has already saturated the US market. Every small town in America has a Wal-Mart and they're starting to try to infiltrate larger cities. Where do they have to grow in the US?

It's time that Wal-Mart started to pay US employees higher wages. Invest in the country that allowed it to get its start. If Americans suddenly protested Wal-Mart stocks would plummet and all of their profits could dwindle.

It's not going to hurt Wal-Mart to take care of its employees. Maybe sales would increase due to the public seeing the company doing something for its workers. Many people avoid Wal-Mart strictly because of their reputation with suppliers and employees.
You still haven't explained where they would get $5 billion from to give the employees raises.

Yes, if the customers protested, the company would operate at a loss. That's the risk a business takes and if Walmart's management thought it was a likely risk, they would consider it for sure.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 10:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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You still haven't explained where they would get $5 billion from to give the employees raises.

Yes, if the customers protested, the company would operate at a loss. That's the risk a business takes and if Walmart's management thought it was a likely risk, they would consider it for sure.
You mentioned they had a net income of $15 billion. That's $15 billion in profits. That's under their current budget.

That means there's room for additional employee compensation.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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You mentioned they had a net income of $15 billion. That's $15 billion in profits. That's under their current budget.

That means there's room for additional employee compensation.
Aren't you forgetting the fact that they have 3.4 billion shares outstanding at $69 each?
 
Old 01-05-2013, 06:38 AM
 
Location: USA
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Aren't you forgetting the fact that they have 3.4 billion shares outstanding at $69 each?
Just checked their debt ratio. You are correct. Apologies.

They're beating down suppliers, monopolizing the American medium and small markets, underpaying employees, and STILL have a high debt ratio.

They should strive to be more like CostCo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/bu...anted=all&_r=0

But not everyone is happy with Costco's business strategy. Some Wall Street analysts assert that Mr. Sinegal is overly generous not only to Costco's customers but to its workers as well.

Costco's average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Sam's Club. And Costco's health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish. One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco "it's better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder."

"Mr. Sinegal begs to differ. He rejects Wall Street's assumption that to succeed in discount retailing, companies must pay poorly and skimp on benefits, or must ratchet up prices to meet Wall Street's profit demands.

Good wages and benefits are why Costco has extremely low rates of turnover and theft by employees, he said. And Costco's customers, who are more affluent than other warehouse store shoppers, stay loyal because they like that low prices do not come at the workers' expense. "This is not altruistic," he said. "This is good business."



High wages don

"Downsizing, lower pay, reduced benefits — that seems to be the same story at one company after another, as if the sole point of business were to pull in one massive quarterly profit.

But then there’s our number of the day: $19.50."

"Some Wall Street analysts haven’t been happy about that or about the company’s generous health plan. No doubt, Costco could be making a higher profit. And yet, the company does just fine. The value of Costco stock has more than doubled since 2009, and the company’s founder, James Sinegal, said those wages buy the company a low rate of employee turnover and theft."

The High Cost of Low Wages - Harvard Business Review

"Consider Costco and Wal-Mart’s Sam’s Club, which compete fiercely on low-price merchandise. Among warehouse retailers, Costco—with 338 stores and 67,600 full-time employees in the United States—is number one, accounting for about 50% of the market. Sam’s Club—with 551 stores and 110,200 employees in the United States—is number two, with about 40% of the market.

Though the businesses are direct competitors and quite similar overall, a remarkable disparity shows up in their wage and benefits structures. The average wage at Costco is $17 an hour. Wal-Mart does not break out the pay of its Sam’s Club workers, but a full-time worker at Wal-Mart makes $10.11 an hour on average, and a variety of sources suggest that Sam’s Club’s pay scale is similar to Wal-Mart’s. A 2005 New York Times article by Steven Greenhouse reported that at $17 an hour, Costco’s average pay is 72% higher than Sam’s Club’s ($9.86 an hour)."
 
Old 01-05-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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The spirit of the Occupy Movement is alive and well it has never left.
Gone are the encampments that are not needed now but could be brought back if needed.
The movement has evolved and continues to evolve.

I was a part of the Occupy Freedom Plaza in Washington D.C., I guess you could call me a day camper as I live in Northern Virginia about 10 minutes or so from Freedom Plaza and the White House as many others who participated in marches and actions.

We are still protesting the different issues, many of us have been involved with protest and actions before Occupy came to be.
At any one time there could be over a half dozen protests going on in the D.C. area, the corporate media doesn’t cover these protests.

I had to laugh when one poster suggested that we should protest at the Capital because most of the protests either start or end on Capitol Hill.
Many are just on the Hill itself with many of them actually taking place in Congressional offices.
As far as Occupy being involved with Obama nothing could be further from the truth although attempts to co-op the movement by Democratic front groups were never ending.
As far as all the other negative comments I will not even dignify them with a response.
 
Old 01-05-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Do you really want me to post video after video of the violence occupy creates? None if it news....
 
Old 01-05-2013, 10:05 PM
 
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I do so miss the "Mike Checks". They were so,....so,....childish,...and so epitomized the true nature of the protesters.
 
Old 01-05-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: North East
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I'm starting this thread a year after the Occupy Wall Street protest sprang up around the country. The movement has taken a lot of turns since its beginning and I'm starting a new discussion about the effectiveness of Occupy Wall Street.

The grassroots movement was intended to raise awareness about Unethical Wall Street practices and how corporate greed was ruining American's way of life. Protest spread from New York all the way across the country to the West Coast and many major cities in a matter of months. The protest started in September, and by the end of the year had received national attention and taken over the political discussion in this country.

By the beginning of the year nearly all of the protest had ended and the movement was blacklisted from the mainstream media. Police brutality and corruption along with the enforcement of current laws and the passing of new laws ultimately lead to the end of the Occupy Movement. Protesters were arrested for peacefully protesting and many were held indefinitely in jails around the country. Truth and lies were intertwined about the movement whenever the mainstream media reported on incidents. The movement was strategically dismantled by the powers that be.



I'm arguing that we need the protesters back out in the streets. Whether its Occupy, Independents, bi-partisan groups, or a completely new movement,... we need people back in the streets. Politicians need to know that they can't get away with anything and the corporate elite in this country need to be reminded that money does not hold indefinite power over humans.

Its time for Americans to start doing something about the situation we're in instead of expecting the government to bail us out. Politicians need to know that no matter who gets elected, Americans will be holding everyone accountable.

Thoughts?
It's too cold...
 
Old 01-05-2013, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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So has the OP quit whining and started occupying yet? Talk is cheap. Get out there and occupy something.
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