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Old 12-04-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: FL
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Actually, evidence shows he shot "at least 8 times" into the car with 4 teenage boys just sitting in it listening to music. His lawyer is using Florida's "Stand Your Ground" defense because Mr. Dunn claims he "felt threatened." I guess he's saying that the loud music was threatening his life?

Why would someone even care that some kids were blasting music in a gas station parking lot? He didn't have to pull his car up next to them in the first place.
Exactly!

 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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And people like George Zimmerman who decide they're entitled to play judge, jury and executioner; he didn't have a bit of trouble passing judgement on Trayvon Martin, with no sign that Martin was engaged in any criminal activity.
I'm getting a little tired of this claim. Zimmerman knew that there had been burglaries in his neighborhood. It was raining when Zimmerman called the police and reported that someone he did not know was cutting between houses in the rain in his development, and Zimmerman reported it looked like the person was on drugs. There were burglaries in the neighborhood. Martin did not live there, so Zimmerman would not have recognized him. It was raining and Martin did have drugs in his system and was known to use drugs. Although Martin might not have been engaged in criminal activity at the time, there was certainly enough reason for Zimmerman to investigate further.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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I'm getting a little tired of this claim. Zimmerman knew that there had been burglaries in his neighborhood. It was raining when Zimmerman called the police and reported that someone he did not know was cutting between houses in the rain in his development, and Zimmerman reported it looked like the person was on drugs. There were burglaries in the neighborhood. Martin did not live there, so Zimmerman would not have recognized him. It was raining and Martin did have drugs in his system and was known to use drugs. Although Martin might not have been engaged in criminal activity at the time, there was certainly enough reason for Zimmerman to investigate further.
Martin had no meaningful drug levels in his system. He had trace amounts of THC, nothing that would alter behavior.

On the other hand, Zimmerman, who wasn't tested (and should have been) was admittedly on several psychotropic medications.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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The proof has been given. Martin was on his cellphone talking to his girlfriend when he was attacked. that has been verified.
No, he was on the phone with his girlfriend when Zimmerman first began to follow him, before any attack by anyone.. Zimmerman broke off his pursuit of Martin and Martin returned to attack Zimmerman.. That is what I have read... I don't know... "I" wasn't there... Were you??
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: FL
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The high resolution pics of Zimmerman with a severely broken nose....that is going to go a long way in making a 2nd degree murder conviction VERY TOUGH.
There is no report that he had a severely broken nose. When he went to his doctor he was referred to another and he never went.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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He was not formally placed under arrest on the night of the shooting. Detained, but not arrested. The police took his self-defense word at face value and released him the same night.
See, this is where people get into trouble. They think that just because you don't get booked and spend the night in the slammer you were not arrested. Then they wonder why they get fired or denied a permit for something for lying on the "arrest" question on an application. There is no such thing as being "placed formally under arrest." You are either under arrest or you're not.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Martin had no meaningful drug levels in his system. He had trace amounts of THC, nothing that would alter behavior.

On the other hand, Zimmerman, who wasn't tested (and should have been) was admittedly on several psychotropic medications.
What if he was on "psychotropic" medications? What medications was he allegedly on (and I really don't know, I hadn't heard about him being on anything).
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There is no report that he had a severely broken nose. When he went to his doctor he was referred to another and he never went.
It looks broken, but you can't tell for sure without an x-ray. In my experience, noses are usually broken if they're deformed like that. It's not like an ankle where a bad sprain can easily look like a break.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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I'm getting a little tired of this claim. Zimmerman knew that there had been burglaries in his neighborhood. It was raining when Zimmerman called the police and reported that someone he did not know was cutting between houses in the rain in his development, and Zimmerman reported it looked like the person was on drugs. There were burglaries in the neighborhood. Martin did not live there, so Zimmerman would not have recognized him. It was raining and Martin did have drugs in his system and was known to use drugs. Although Martin might not have been engaged in criminal activity at the time, there was certainly enough reason for Zimmerman to investigate further.
In reality, the community in question contained hundreds of houses, and it appears that most of the people in the immediate area did not recognize Zimmerman, nor did he seem to recognize them. In addition, Zimmerman did not report that Martin was "cutting between houses", he instead stated that Martin was near the clubhouse, and that he was "walking around, looking about". From this he concluded that Martin was "up to no good, or on drugs, or something", meaning that he had no specific complaints about Martin's behavior.

Also, Martin had no significant drugs in his system, as ellemint has stated. And he was not "up to no good" merely walking home from the store.

Contrast this to the other 911 calls in this case. People immediately describe a fight, or hearing a gunshot. In other words, things that require actual police investigation.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No, he was on the phone with his girlfriend when Zimmerman first began to follow him, before any attack by anyone.. Zimmerman broke off his pursuit of Martin and Martin returned to attack Zimmerman.. That is what I have read... I don't know... "I" wasn't there... Were you??
The big problem with that is we only have zimmerman's account of what happened. That is what everyone has been reading. OF COURSE he's not going to say he accosted martin.
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