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Old 11-10-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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Men can reduce abortions by not engaging in unprotected class with dumb bimbos. I realize that is asking quite a bit.
Yeah guys, no more unprotected class with dumb bimbos. Why didn't I just think of that instead of all this time wasted considering people's actual lives, and crap? My bad!

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Old 11-10-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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Yes, they should, when they can get pregnant too.
 
Old 11-10-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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I think my financial abortion idea would play here. A woman's body, choice, and responsibility. If she chooses to let the child live, which is solely at her discretion, the man should have a choice in whether or not to be there financially.

The sex was consensual. Both parties could have taken steps to prevent a pregnancy, and all could fail. The sex is done. It's irrelevant. Both parties failed to prevent a pregnancy. Men don't get women pregnant. We're not talking about rape.

If she chooses to let the child live, which is her choice, the man should be able to choose not to be there financially. Both actions are pretty deplorable and say a lot about the person, but if women can have an abortion because they feel like it, and avoid all responsibility, why shouldn't men.

The woman can act totally independent of the man, whereas even if the man wanted the child, he has no say. But if she chooses to go through with it, her body, her choice, her responsibility.

If you don't think you can financially support a child without assistance, well, there's always abortion, or adoption.
 
Old 11-10-2012, 08:57 PM
 
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I think my financial abortion idea would play here. A woman's body, choice, and responsibility. If she chooses to let the child live, which is solely at her discretion, the man should have a choice in whether or not to be there financially.

The sex was consensual. Both parties could have taken steps to prevent a pregnancy, and all could fail. The sex is done. It's irrelevant. Both parties failed to prevent a pregnancy. Men don't get women pregnant. We're not talking about rape.

If she chooses to let the child live, which is her choice, the man should be able to choose not to be there financially. Both actions are pretty deplorable and say a lot about the person, but if women can have an abortion because they feel like it, and avoid all responsibility, why shouldn't men.

The woman can act totally independent of the man, whereas even if the man wanted the child, he has no say. But if she chooses to go through with it, her body, her choice, her responsibility.

If you don't think you can financially support a child without assistance, well, there's always abortion, or adoption.
The last few pages already discuss just about every aspect of this idea from those for and against. There's no need to start the same debate all over again. Please read it over if you like, and post if have further information to add. Get comfy, there are a lot of posts and a lot of heated emotion. Thanks.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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The last few pages already discuss just about every aspect of this idea from those for and against. There's no need to start the same debate all over again. Please read it over if you like, and post if have further information to add. Get comfy, there are a lot of posts and a lot of heated emotion. Thanks.
I'm going to say you can safely ignore Yellow Jacket's posts. They're mostly trivial and insulting with not a whole lot of content, yet somehow run on for several paragraphs.
 
Old 11-10-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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I'm going to say you can safely ignore Yellow Jacket's posts. They're mostly trivial and insulting with not a whole lot of content, yet somehow run on for several paragraphs.
Agreed 100%, and also please ignore my responses to those posts, they brought out the absolute worst in me and I'm not proud of that.
 
Old 11-13-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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That's fine but because I don't believe you when you say you are for father's rights. Do you care to offer anything to the table in that respect? I mean any actual compromise.
How about couples learn to talk about what they both want should the unexpected happen? How about if men raise the children they bring into this world and women give them access to their kids when they're the ones paying child support? What a concept!
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