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Old 10-29-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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To fully understand the repercussions of voting along party lines, one only needs to look at the current situation in Europe. http://usawatchdog.com/wp-content/up...el-farage2.jpg

The banks of Europe are in the very process of eliminating national sovereignty and democracy by imposing their own laws and policies on debtor nations while simultaneously attempting to undermine the economies of stronger nations by seeking guarantees of weaker countries debt.

The people of Europe are discovering too late that their major political parties have been owned and owe their allegiance to banks and corporations and not to the people of Europe.

The same fate awaits us as we continue to vote in members of the two major parties who take their marching orders from Wall St.

A vote for either major party is in fact a vote for bank/corporate control of the US.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The two parties are corrupt, that is painfully obvious. I think you will find most hardcore DEMs or REPs will ignore this post because they would prefer to keep their heads in the sane. Unfortunately.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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The two parties are corrupt, that is painfully obvious. I think you will find most hardcore DEMs or REPs will ignore this post because they would prefer to keep their heads in the sane. Unfortunately.

I predict several responses with references to tin foil.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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Yep...that's why I vote 3rd party as often as possible...no reason to vote for my own enslavement by the duopoly.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Eliminate pacs and super pacs to level the playing field and the ongoing obligation to return a favor.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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The two parties are corrupt, that is painfully obvious. I think you will find most hardcore DEMs or REPs will ignore this post because they would prefer to keep their heads in the sane. Unfortunately.
That's because the political establishment have successfully split the voters and pitted them against each other, so all the voters do is vote party lines and they aren't looking at who the are voting for, or what their politicians are doing.

This whole Benghazi mess is a perfect example. We seemingly have a president who is blissfully ignorant, he seems never to be informed about anything, and never knows anything about anything. Political partisanship is so ingrained in the voters, that democrat voters don't care if the president is always ignorant, because it's not what the politicians do that is important, it's which party they belong to.

Stop voting for politicians who put party loyalty first, and country third. Start holding politicians accountable, don't fall for the excuse that they only voted a certain way for political reasons. The welfare of our country and the protection of our rights and freedom trump any political concerns.

Even with politicians like Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who I disagree with politically and ideologically, he stands for the people first, and the Democratic Party a distant third.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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Yep...that's why I vote 3rd party as often as possible...no reason to vote for my own enslavement by the duopoly.
Don't be blinded by that either, because being a third party candidate does not inoculate them from corruption, or prevent them from putting their own personal, political, or financial self interests above preserving the rights and freedoms of the people.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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The same fate awaits us as we continue to vote in members of the two major parties who take their marching orders from Wall St.

A vote for either major party is in fact a vote for bank/corporate control of the US.
OK so we are owned by big money.What do you suggest as a viable option?
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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OK so we are owned by big money.What do you suggest as a viable option?
The only power we have is on election day... vote 'em out.. all of 'em.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That's because the political establishment have successfully split the voters and pitted them against each other, so all the voters do is vote party lines and they aren't looking at who the are voting for, or what their politicians are doing.

This whole Benghazi mess is a perfect example. We seemingly have a president who is blissfully ignorant, he seems never to be informed about anything, and never knows anything about anything. Political partisanship is so ingrained in the voters, that democrat voters don't care if the president is always ignorant, because it's not what the politicians do that is important, it's which party they belong to.

Stop voting for politicians who put party loyalty first, and country third. Start holding politicians accountable, don't fall for the excuse that they only voted a certain way for political reasons. The welfare of our country and the protection of our rights and freedom trump any political concerns.

Even with politicians like Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who I disagree with politically and ideologically, he stands for the people first, and the Democratic Party a distant third.
If the political establishment include the founding fathers, the split has been successful, at least according to their thoughts. They wanted 2 parties as a means of check and balance.

Checks and balances are hard to live with for either side, but they prevent a monarchy (or these days, a dictatorship) from rising easily. This is the same rationale they used when they declared the President to be the Commander in Chief; they also wanted to make a military take-over a very difficult thing to accomplish.

They knew the dangers of universal agreement. They fought among themselves back then just as fiercely as we do now, and just as Americans have done ever since the Constitution was signed. From the first, our politics as always been one where individual personalities have risen and fell.

Some voters are in full agreement with their party platform and believe that, as long as a candidate declares to faithfully follow it, that is the best for the country. These voters vote a straight party ticket.
Other voters look at the individuals over the party platforms, and vote for the candidates that are most in line with their thinking, whether or not the candidate conforms strictly to his party's platform or not.

That's the way it has always been. We are all free to follow what we believe to be best for our country. We are free to vote for those who we think are in our own individual best interests, and we are equally able to vote for those who may not represent our self interests, but conforms to our beliefs as to what is best for the nation. All this is contradictory, and just as the founding fathers planned.
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