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That's a great article. Just to clarify, Chicago does in fact have a murder rate lower than other American cities. The link that you posted deals with global cities.
The issue isn't solely a Chicago issue. It's an American large city issue.
Are parents supposed to work, or raise their children?? In the neighborhoods where this stuff is happening if a parent is working, a lot of times they're working 2nd or 3rd shift and/or multiple jobs.
You also have to take into account all of the negative influences in these communities.
This Obama economy has a lot of parents at home, because they can't find one job, much less a third one.
We added 15 million people into poverty these past four years, and many adults and record numbers of teens are unemployed. Unemployment and poverty make that gangland drug money look too good to pass up. Aren't most of these killings associated with the gangland drug trade in Chicago?
This Obama economy has a lot of parents at home, because they can't find one job, much less a third one.
We added 15 million people into poverty these past four years, and many adults and record numbers of teens are unemployed. Unemployment and poverty make that gangland drug money look too good to pass up. Aren't most of these killings associated with the gangland drug trade in Chicago?
In short, not all, some maybe yes. As a former Chicago native, who went to Carl Schurz H.S., the fights are more about turf. Years ago, to defend myself against gang members, I utilized whatever I had at hand to defend myself from becoming "one of the gang". I used my fists, feet to kick with, a brick in an alley, a stick, a 2x4, or whatever I could find, against their switchblades. It's much different these days, many years after I left Chicago, they use guns now.
If citizens of Chicago can get past the "I don't want to be a snitch" which is their greatest fear of retribution from gang members, maybe police can help them. Police can't do anything if people clam up and won't talk. They must learn to help themselves.
Here`s another. Stop selling handguns. It will take a decade or two before we see a difference but eventually these punks won`t be walking around with a 9 stuffed in their waistband.
You can't buy heroin, meth and cocaine anywhere legally in the US for decades....glad to know that has completely eradicated the ability to find any of that stuff.
Seriously? You think the guys hustling drugs aren't going to hustle guns in as well?
Not so much. The crooks are so entrenched that it's a one party system where support is placed behind the scenes.
Rahm Emanuel was given the support of the Daley Machine in exchange for his Whitehouse staff job to Bill D.
Voila, next mayor of Chicago.
Sure, some people *vote* there but the patronage\cronyism system directs which way the gravy flows. In turn, those aldermen etc. steer votes toward "their guy".
This Obama economy has a lot of parents at home, because they can't find one job, much less a third one.
We added 15 million people into poverty these past four years, and many adults and record numbers of teens are unemployed. Unemployment and poverty make that gangland drug money look too good to pass up. Aren't most of these killings associated with the gangland drug trade in Chicago?
Chicago Sun Times cites police figures that 80% of the killings in Chicago are gang\drug related.
The surge in killings isn't due to more gang-banging but rather some power vacuums that were created and thus turf fights erupted.
While crime does increase in a down economy, the killings in Chicago is much more of a cyclical turf-war thing from what I've read.
That is an interesting comparison to global cities and other big cities, including NYC, which has stricter gun laws than Chicago, yet has a lower murder rate. From the opinion piece:
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[LEFT]Let’s look at Tokyo, one of the safest cities on that list, with a murder rate of 0.5 per 100,000 citizens. Japan’s constitution does not guarantee its citizens the right to bear arms. Handguns are prohibited. Semi-automatic weapons are prohibited. Automatic rifles are prohibited. The only exceptions are hunting shotguns and target-shooting pistols. The penalty for illegal possession of a gun is up to 15 years in prison. Japan has a population of 127 million. In 2006, two people were murdered with guns.
Japan starts with the principle that citizens have no right to a gun, and forces them to prove they need one. The United States starts with the principle that guns are an inalienable right, and forces the government to justify banning them.
The number-one factor in predicting crime is not guns -- or lack of guns. It is concentrated urban poverty. Because of Chicago’s history as a segregated city, we have a lot of that.
Yes, but the district where Obama was a community organizer has one of the highest murder rates in the nation.
You do know that that district had a higher murder rate back then than it does now right.....? Also there are specific neighborhoods in Chicago that account for 50% or more of the violent crime in the city, especially murders. City officials could do more to crack down if they wanted, but they don't, most Chicagoans I know believe it is due to the fact that they don't really care about blacks and hispanics killing each other. Let the blacks and hispanics go out and start killing a large amount of tourist or white Chicagoans, then you will see a crack down.
343 total coaliton forces killed in 2012 in Afghanistan as of the end of September.
But, that goes back to per capita rates. Chicago is a city of 2.7 million; the population of coalition soldiers in Afghanistan is something like 113,000.
343 out of 113,000 is the equivalent of 8,195 or so out of 2.7 million. But the Afghan numbers include non-hostile incidents and accidents, so, it's not QUITE that bad.
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Just to clarify, Chicago does in fact have a murder rate lower than other American cities.
Indeed. Even regionally, Chicago's murder rate is quite a bit lower than Detroit, Flint, St. Louis, and some other cities.
You do know that that district had a higher murder rate back then than it does now right.....? Also there are specific neighborhoods in Chicago that account for 50% or more of the violent crime in the city, especially murders. City officials could do more to crack down if they wanted, but they don't, most Chicagoans I know believe it is due to the fact that they don't really care about blacks and hispanics killing each other. Let the blacks and hispanics go out and start killing a large amount of tourist or white Chicagoans, then you will see a crack down.
You absolutely nailed it.
The city of Chicago doesn't give a fudge as long as it's gang bangers killing each other in bad areas.
Shoot some innocent kids riding their bikes or start shooting at taste of Chicago (both actual incidents) and the city will have the police bust your gangs arse.
In fact, many gangs will kill their own members for doing something like the above and bringing holy hell down on them.
I've posted to other threads showing how places like Lincoln Park and Gold Coast average maybe 1 murder a year while Austin has 45ish.
All the gun control and peace march talk is handwaving over decades of the cities own bigoted segregationist policies and I do not throw around such accusations lightly. However, Chicago get's a pass because of their political orientation.
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