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View Poll Results: Shall the US ban militant religious groups/atheism?
YES, BAN 11 12.50%
NO 77 87.50%
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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One would only hope the extremists would be banned. Along with hate speech. But that would require the common sense that other countries have.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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First, I've never advocated banning any religion. Let's make that clear from the start. I was just responding to someone mentioning the Crusades, as if that's relevant today. It's not relevant because Christians have moved beyond committing heinous acts in the name of "God." It's not happening anymore, and hasn't been happening for centuries. Muslims are not all terrorists, but considering that a very large group of them believe in this day and age that they should kill all apostates and have everyone convert or be killed, that's a problem of TODAY. It's relevant NOW.

Please enlighten me on Christians of TODAY causing terror or instilling fear in the hearts and minds of others. How? By wanting to end abortion, a practice they consider murder? By wanting marriage to remain as it has been for thousands of years?
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eric Rudolph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, here's a some to start you off...
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:58 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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One would only hope the extremists would be banned. Along with hate speech. But that would require the common sense that other countries have.
I always find it amazing when people from other countries have trouble processing what the US means by "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion". It's an ugly process but it works.

Westboro has had its 15 minutes of fame.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I always find it amazing when people from other countries have trouble processing what the US means by "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion". It's an ugly process but it works.

Westboro has had its 15 minutes of fame.
Oh I get it, I just think there should be limitations, much like screaming fire in a theatre. But enjoy your extremist groups.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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An extremist group of terrorists who happen to be Muslim want this to happen. You don't see the Muslim population of Minnesota raising up and doing any of these things do you? It's not my fault you can't differentiate between terrorists who happen to be Muslim and Muslims who happen to be terrorists. The former (the Muslims who happen to be terrorists) are far outnumbered by the latter (terrorists who happen to be Muslim).

Huge, HUGE difference between the two.

Westboros Baptist Church.
I'm not sure if you're joking, an anti-Christian/ anti-Semitic bigot, or really that ill-informed.

Double standard much?

McVeigh was anti-government. Really nothing more. If you insinuate otherwise yet excuse the Jihadists, I can't take you seriously (nor should anyone else.)

Also, Westboro is a scam of mostly lawyers under the legal guise of a church for financial reasons. Research it. Even if not... who have they killed or blown limbs off of?

Unbelievable...
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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I'm not sure if you're joking, an anti-Christian/ anti-Semitic bigot, or really that ill-informed.
None of the above.

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Double standard much?
Not really.

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Also, Westboro is a scam of mostly lawyers under the legal guise of a church for financial reasons. Research it. Even if not... who have they killed or blown limbs off of?

Unbelievable...
So you're saying they're not a violent group that commits crimes against Americans? Supporters have theirs have gone out and perpetrated crimes. You're a fool if you think otherwise.

All I'm saying is that people automatically write Muslims off as terrorists, which is extremely bigoted and ignorant. That's just the same as if I sat here and called all Christians pedophiles -we both know for a fact that's not true.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Atheism has no dogma or religious creed. It's merely a lack of belief. You are an atheist regarding thousands of gods. Does that make you a genocidal dictator?

People like Stalin, Mao, etc. committed crimes based on political ideology, not religious.

Norway is 80% atheist/non-religious. Only 4% attend church. It's also the happiest nation, with some of the highest quality of living on Earth, and quite wealthy.

By your logic, Norway should be an evil bastion of authoritarian sociopaths.


Arguably one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

Of course Atheists are dogmatic.

"characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts"

Dogmatic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If they weren't dogmatic, they'd be Agnostics.

It is these same Agnostics who lack belief.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:32 PM
 
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Only the Muslims. When radical Jews and Christians commit terrorist attacks and mass murder in the name of their religion then I'd agree. Until then, only Muslims.
So radical Christians commiting mass murder in the name of politics is Ok in your book?
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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...but the Christians did commit heinous acts in the name of "god", so it's ludicrous to think that only the Muslims ought to be banned because of what a select few of their religion did. There's a difference between those who perpetrated 9/11 and the rest of the Muslim people:

The people responsible were terrorists who happen to be Muslim, not Muslim who happened to be terrorists.

Huge difference.

And we if take the dictionary definition and none of the crap that the government is sending out to us, a terrorist is someone who causes terror and instills fear into the hearts and minds of others.

Guess who's doing that the most today?



Can someone who calls himself a Christian (Christ-like) find examples in Christ's behavior to justify heinous acts?

As for terrorists, with precious few exceptions, they continue to happen to be Muslims.


The dots are there.

You just have to connect them.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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Can someone who calls himself a Christian (Christ-like) find examples in Christ's behavior to justify heinous acts?

As for terrorists, with precious few exceptions, they continue to happen to be Muslims.


The dots are there.

You just have to connect them.
YOu've have to be ignorant of politics and world events to think that all terrorrists are Muslims.
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