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View Poll Results: Do you think Sandy was a consequence of man-made GW or climate change?
Yes. Human-influenced climate change is probably at least partly to blame 43 53.09%
No. Modern humans have no influence on the climate whatsoever 31 38.27%
I don't know/Undecided 7 8.64%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-02-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Consensus is not science. What they agreed to, was to manipulate and/or manufacture phony data to show "global warming." It was a scam designed to change the behavior of humans to suit their liberal agenda, to force us to drive smaller automobiles, end our use of fossil fuels, and other things liberals don't like.

Man has no power to change the global environment. Only God has that kind of power.

That people are gulible enough to believe this hoax is truly amazing. The ignorant masses are quick to follow after any bunch of Chicken Little's.
Of course ..... that one guy who sent those emails must represent the entire community of climatologists.

By the way, climatologists are NOT all liberals, I don't know how that idea came about.

I think it's wondrous that the scientists are all wrong, and yet somehow the truth got hold of US Republican businessmen, and no one else. Don't you ever wonder about that? Have you ever heard of the word "propaganda" which is extreme distortion of the truth or outright lies, committed by those with ..... ahem ..... an agenda?
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Earth
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ever notice how those that believe all the climate change baloney are the ones that support socialism, communism, and the destruction of our American free-enterprise system? Funny, huh?
Yeah, the US is the only place that doesn't believe in climate change.
Might want to look up the definitions of terms before you simply bandy them about.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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They made a movie about the cause of global warming but since it was cloaked as a science fiction movie hardly anyone watched it...

This is at least as good an explanation as to the cause of global warming as blaming it on mankind and just as believable...


The Arrival Trailer - YouTube
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If you don't think that climatologists (the scientists who study climate) believe in AGW, you might want to contact some of them and ask - of course I mean employees of reputable universities.
Is it a coincidence that climatologists (who study climate) and who DISAGREE are not hired by those "reputable" universities?

Oh my-y-y-y-y-y.

Perhaps, certain donors do not wish disagreeable scientists to have positions at those "reputable" universities?

Nothing to see here. Move along. Go home. Don't confuse us with facts. It's BELIEF and CONSENSUS that matters.
99 wrong people are better than 1 right individual...

Heinlein once wrote (paraphrased) : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can do calculus, and peasants..."
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Donors are often rich conservatives. There's no "liberal conspiracy," nor are all climatologists liberal (and some of them make a point of saying so, in order for their message to get through.)

Yes, 99% of climatologists are probably right about this matter. After all, unlike you and the only people who disagree with them (Republicans - the ones who are NOT climatologists), they have studied and tested the data for all their adult lives.
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: New York
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Weather events are increasing in frequency and severity for a reason...
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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The bigger issue is heavily populated areas on the coasts. If this hurricane hit NC or SC, it would have been relative minor in comparison.
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Regardless of the cause of global warming, if it even exists (I remember the ice age the liberal intellects told us we were entering in the 70s), it is entirely too late to prevent it. Whether it is a cyclical climate pattern change or man-made global warming, we CANNOT change it - STOP with the stupidity. If it's real, and it continues, we need to spend our resources ADAPTING to it, not trying to stop it which is cost prohibitive and entirely stupid.
Absolutely!
Doesn't matter WHY the sea levela are rising, and water temps rising, We must adapt to it.
Local governments must put into effect proper zoning laws, adequate seawalls, underground wiring, etc.

Keep Politics out of it!
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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The US has been hit with multiple hurricanes in the last decades. Sandy's destruction is not even close to the destruction that came as a result of hurricane Andrew. Where was the global warming talk back in 1992? I get it. Just because a category 1 storm leaves thousands of people without power in a highly populated city that has a big market, global warming is the cause.


I remember when Florida got hit with a slew of hurricanes in 2004. Climatologists came out and said this continuation of hurricanes is the new normal. The following year, there were no hurricanes that even nicked the continental US. In fact, the state of Florida has not endured a hurricane since 2004.

A myriad of natural disasters take place around the world annualy, yet no one attributes global warming to them. Are we that arrogant to place blame on a science that's not even settled when we are victims?

Listen. Earth is a dangerous place. Mother Earth has a history of showing her lack of regard for her inhabitants. Hence, 70% of species go extinct.

Edit: I forgot about Katrina. However, you get my point.

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Old 11-02-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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hurricanes occur naturally every year, but warming ocean water and air temperature causes them to be more severe, and more frequent. when you heat up water the water level of the ocean rises, which can create bigger monster waves during storms and more flood damage. warmer temperatures causes the polar ice sheets to melt, raising water level even more.

I used to be in the "I don't know" camp, but its getting harder and harder to ignore these simple cause and effects. this July has also been the hottest on record in the US, and its not getting any cooler. as Bloomberg said, there's only so many times you can write it off it as a freak incident that could never happen again.


with all these constant record-breaking heating trends in the oceans and the air every year, there's simply no way these storms aren't going to repeat themselves, and get worse.

I'm pretty much like you. I didn't really start worrying about global warming until this year. Mild winter, practically no spring, right to summer with triple digits lasting on and off from June to late August. Now after a brief cool spell from Canada, the forecast is for 82 degrees here. In freaking November! The other thing that bothers me is we never get rainy days anymore. Good soaking all day rain events. It's always 30-60% at most, roll in and out storms.


With that said, I have a hard time trusting scientific findings in general. I'm no scientist, but it seems like they just look for patterns and assume a cause and effect conclusion and package it as fact. For example, they will do a study on eggs where a group of people eat eggs every day and have more heart disease. Pattern there so eggs are bad for you! They cause heart disease! The next year, they say something different.

Something has definitely changed with our climate, but you can't say global warming is absolutely the cause.
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