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Old 11-05-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I bet that same union made sure truckers were paid fairly, right?
Not freekin' hardly. Not all equal truckers are considered or treated as equal by the Unions. One example, you'd think someone who hauls hazmat liquids that are very dangerous and could kill anyone within a block of the rig should something go wrong would be paid more than say, someone who hauls loaves of bread wouldn't you?
You'd think that someone who has 8000 gallons of gas in a big tank right behind them would be paid more than the guys who pick up your garbage wouldn't you?
Well think again.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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There's the rub, the false belief that being paid anything is a "right". Go read the constitution and you'll see nowhere in it does it mention the right to be paid a "decent,livable wage" whatever that is.
Moreover, who decides what's "decent and livable" and how much is that? $50k? $60k? $100k?
I'm sorry but I don't believe in slave labor. So, yes I do believe being paid fairly is a right. We've been over this before. I believe a decent and livable wage is one that allows people to stay out of poverty, off assistance and have healthcare, housing, food, access to education.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:15 AM
 
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Not freekin' hardly. Not all equal truckers are considered or treated as equal by the Unions. One example, you'd think someone who hauls hazmat liquids that are very dangerous and could kill anyone within a block of the rig should something go wrong would be paid more than say, someone who hauls loaves of bread wouldn't you?
You'd think that someone who has 8000 gallons of gas in a big tank right behind them would be paid more than the guys who pick up your garbage wouldn't you?
Well think again.
You'll have to explain to me how this relates to the quoted post. I am comparing apples to apples. The person I replied to said he is paid the same as his union counterparts.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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There's the rub, the false belief that being paid anything is a "right". Go read the constitution and you'll see nowhere in it does it mention the right to be paid a "decent,livable wage" whatever that is.
Moreover, who decides what's "decent and livable" and how much is that? $50k? $60k? $100k?

Really??? guess you never heard of" Unalienable rights."........ Life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness......
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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I'm sorry but I don't believe in slave labor. So, yes I do believe being paid fairly is a right. We've been over this before. I believe a decent and livable wage is one that allows people to stay out of poverty, off assistance and have healthcare, housing, food, access to education.
But you want your best people working on the elec system. People you can count on that will make sure the job is done right. Fly by night people burn houses down and kill people because they don't care. If they lose their non union electrician job they will just get another one from some other company that doesn't care about their customers enough to hire the best.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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About 15 years ago I responded to a house fire in an affluent suburb to disconnect the elec per the Fire Dept. When I arrived I reported to the dispatcher that it looked like two houses burned down. Nope, it was one house, that's how big it was.

They hired a non-union electrician to replace a recessed light in the basement that morning. That night they didn't have a house. But they saved like $50 probably so at least they had that.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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So this story proves to be complete horse pucky and not a peep from the professionally outraged who jumped all over it. No retraction, no "my bad, nothing.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Really??? guess you never heard of" Unalienable rights."........ Life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness......
Yep sure have and where in those does it say you have the "right to be paid fairly" as used in the original context and by whose standards is "fairly" to be judged?
By the right to happiness maybe, or would it be life?
To make the point, it does not say "life,liberty,fair pay and the pursuit of happiness. Wouldn't that kind of been the idea behind the minimum wage law?
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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So this story proves to be complete horse pucky and not a peep from the professionally outraged who jumped all over it. No retraction, no "my bad, nothing.
Never is.
They just move on to the next faux outrage.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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So let me get this straight, the market is ok for companies but it isn't ok for workers.

Contracts are sacrosanct for companies but not for labor.

You have a right to sell your products for whatever the market will bare but workers don't.

Interesting set of rules.
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