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'There will be NO rationing of health care' BUT if a patient id in a hospital for a serious condition, lets say, open heart surgery, they recover and discharged. If that patient has problems at home and must be re-admitted, within 30 days of the discharge, the hospital will have to pay a $125,000 fine.
[we have to read it to find out what's in it]
there are fines and penalties all throughout obamacare.
what did people really think was going to happen in a 2,400 page bill not actually written by any of our elected officials?
it's a hidden tax, just like inflation is a hidden tax-although this is worse because it is a takeover of the private sector, and yet another step in the wrong direction for america.
this government is broke and getting desperate. i can assure you that if obama gets reelected, you can brace yourselves for the cap and trade tax. (as legislation is already in the pipeline).
i saw that sales on ebay are now being taxed (over a certain amount) and we can also expect internet taxes where we didn't have them before.
The one piece that the "Affordable Health Care" bill left out was actually making it affordable.
Those with money have to pay more for those that don't so that everyone can have coverage.
And meanwhile, healthcare itself is getting more expensive so your premiums will only continue to get higher to cover yourself and someone else who you are subsidizing.
We all will pay our "fair share" unless you are a gubmint parasite where you don't have an income, then it's all FREE..! Obamacare is great for the voting poor...and they can make a cheap call on the free Obamaphone...
We all will pay our "fair share" unless you are a gubmint parasite where you don't have an income, then it's all FREE..! Obamacare is great for the voting poor...and they can make a cheap call on the free Obamaphone...
it's not even going to be better for the poor.
think about it-they will get a FIXED amount and costs are going up, (if more money is "printed' then costs will go up even quicker)- so their standard of living will be dropping as well. as for healthcare, they will have less choices down the road.
if more people wind up being poor and having less discretionary income, it won't be good for businesses in america.
we need more working americans for the standard of living to rise in america, and what we really need is a bill that actually address the COST of healthcare itself.
This is completely different. My husband is one of those people in the medical sector who is in jeporady of loosing his job because of this impending tax on the medical device industry. So, please don't act like this is just another campaign strategy of the Republicans, this is real life. Real people, like the dr's and nurses that take care of your or your loved ones when they are sick. Or the engineers & scientists that develop the very devices & machines that help to save people's lives.
Please don't ask me to FACT CHECK anything, my husband's company has already shut down an R&D facility and hundreds of others may possibly lose their job.
How about all thise jobs that are being created? But let's ignore all the ones that will be lost.
Can't tell if you read the FactCheck article. Here's part of it:
Quote:
In order to help pay for the expansion of health coverage for the uninsured, the law includes a 2.3 percent tax on certain medical devices starting in 2013. It’s expected to bring in $20 billion over 10 years. Proponents say device makers will sell more devices and reap more profits when an additional 30-some million potential customers gain health coverage and can afford them.
Not all medical devices are taxable. Those sold retail (directly to the consumer), for example, are exempt. So are device manufacturers that bring in revenues under $5 million a year.
Among the devices that are taxable: cardiac defibrillators, pacemakers, stents (“heart attackâ€-related devices) and ultrasound equipment (“new babyâ€-related). Most experts, including the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, expect at least some of the cost of the tax on manufacturers of medical devices to be passed on to consumers via higher health insurance premiums.
Will there be less demand for medical devices? No, it's logical to assume that when 30 million more people have health insurance, and can afford medical care, there will be an increase in the demand for medical devices.
Will companies that make medical devices go out of business because of the tax? No, again it's logical to assume that some or all of the tax will be passed on to the consumer.
Will companies that make medical devices stop hiring people, or let some of their existing staff go? With the likelihood of increased demand for medical devices, yet again it's logical to assume that employment will at worst stay level, and probably would go up.
If your husband's company has already shut down an R&D facility -- prior to the implementation of any tax on medical devices, and in light of likely increased demand due to (1) more people having affordable access to medical care, and (2) the continuing aging of the baby boomers -- then I respectfully suggest that whoever is running your husband's company is an idiot.
[quote=GreenGene;26817816]Can't tell if you read the FactCheck article. Here's part of it:
Will there be less demand for medical devices? No, it's logical to assume that when 30 million more people have health insurance, and can afford medical care, there will be an increase in the demand for medical devices.
Will companies that make medical devices go out of business because of the tax? No, again it's logical to assume that some or all of the tax will be passed on to the consumer.
Will companies that make medical devices stop hiring people, or let some of their existing staff go? With the likelihood of increased demand for medical devices, yet again it's logical to assume that employment will at worst stay level, and probably would go up.
If your husband's company has already shut down an R&D facility -- prior to the implementation of any tax on medical devices, and in light of likely increased demand due to (1) more people having affordable access to medical care, and (2) the continuing aging of the baby boomers -- then I respectfully suggest that whoever is running your husband's company is an
Can't tell if you read the FactCheck article. Here's part of it:
Will there be less demand for medical devices? No, it's logical to assume that when 30 million more people have health insurance, and can afford medical care, there will be an increase in the demand for medical devices.
Will companies that make medical devices go out of business because of the tax? No, again it's logical to assume that some or all of the tax will be passed on to the consumer.
Will companies that make medical devices stop hiring people, or let some of their existing staff go? With the likelihood of increased demand for medical devices, yet again it's logical to assume that employment will at worst stay level, and probably would go up.
If your husband's company has already shut down an R&D facility -- prior to the implementation of any tax on medical devices, and in light of likely increased demand due to (1) more people having affordable access to medical care, and (2) the continuing aging of the baby boomers -- then I respectfully suggest that whoever is running your husband's company is an idiot.
you think there won't be rationing?
really?
and if the tax is "passed onto the consumer" how is that beneficial to the consumer?
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