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Old 11-02-2012, 06:17 PM
 
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How do you "blame" somebody for a job well done?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I would have to think Obama would do something besides a drive by photo op. It seemed pretty cold and almost like he was mad to have to be seen with the common folk.
Hate is really a very unhealthy emotion.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:23 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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Power is back online in much of lower manhattan tonight. That's a big step in the whole city's recovery.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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To this day, liberals will get red faced and steam come out of their ears when you mention Bush and hurricane Katrina. The media has roasted Bush good over the response of that disaster. And you know what? Bush was man enough to take full ownership and blame for the aftermath even though it really wasn't his fault. Red tape and local bureacy played a huge role in preventing federal aid getting to the needy.

Now it is day 5 and the victims of Sandy are still suffering. People aren't getting the basic needs. We don't know the true death toll yet. Response has been slow or non-existant in areas like Staton Island. So what is Obama doing? Why he is on the campaign trail right now talking trash about Romney. His display of compassion sure did appear to end quickly.

While realistically, I don't think it's fair to blame Obama completely for the lack of resources and poor responses, it wasn't fair to blame Bush either. If Bush deserves to be blasted for Katrina, Obama deserves the same.
No. 0bama cannot be held accountable to slow or inept response by FEMA, unless he starts setting new policies and mucking things up.

FEMA is big government at it's biggest, you expect it to be slow, cumbersome, and unable to change quickly enough to adapt to conditions. The best response come from local agencies. All the president really does is walk around the devastation like he has a clue what to do, and then goes back to Washington and signs checks.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So Obama shook some hands, hugged an old woman, and then jumped into his jet and took off to Vegas and beyond leaving those poor folks to dumpster dive for food.
Do you expect the president, any president, to put on a pot of chile?
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:53 PM
 
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What goes around comes around. Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina, and now Obama deserves the same treatment. Obama did not protect Americans in Benghazi on 9-11. Obama was indisicive during the oil spill. He hasn't changed! Obama is a reactive president... we need a procative pres.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:54 AM
 
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While realistically, I don't think it's fair to blame Obama completely for the lack of resources and poor responses, it wasn't fair to blame Bush either. If Bush deserves to be blasted for Katrina, Obama deserves the same.
Exactly. It makes absolutely no sense for liberals to blame Bush for allowing Katrina to hit New Orleans, to not have had the levees able to withstand a Cat 4 hurricane, or to have everything repaired in a couple of days but insist Obama is completely blameless for the effects of a less than Cat 1 storm or to insist that when it comes to Obama, one man cannot fix everything.

Either you hold the president responsible or you don't -- you cannot hold only certain presidents responsible -- or you're just using natural disasters for your liberal politics.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:29 AM
 
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What goes around comes around. Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina, and now Obama deserves the same treatment. Obama did not protect Americans in Benghazi on 9-11. Obama was indisicive during the oil spill. He hasn't changed! Obama is a reactive president... we need a procative pres.
Bush took a lot of heat because he put FEMA in the hands of a disgraced head of Arabian Horse shows, one Michael Brown, and allowed him to erode FEMA's ability to respond to a major crisis. And he also bungled cooperation efforts with Nagin, and under his authority, FEMA routinely blocked offers from aid - from civilian aviation, from other government branches, and from private businesses like Amtrak. In a few cases they commandeered vital resources - police radio towers, evacuation busses. Ice needed for food and medical storage was diverted, volunteers were sent to sexual harassment training...the list of mistakes was pretty long. And it doesn't help that Bush brushed aside offers for international aid.

And yes, both Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco dropped the ball as well. That doesn't excuse FEMA's nonsense and red tape in response to Katrina. And note that none of this is about Bush celebrating a birthday with McCain, or looking down from a flyover - the first criticism is trivial, and the latter stupid.

And in this case, so far we have...an electrical repair crew from Alabama that turned around before it passed Virginia, of their own volition. I'm sure they'll find other mistakes eventually, simply due to the size of the disaster, but so far there are no reports of FEMA acting nearly as stupidly as they did under Brown.
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Old 11-03-2012, 03:03 AM
 
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To this day, liberals will get red faced and steam come out of their ears when you mention Bush and hurricane Katrina. The media has roasted Bush good over the response of that disaster. And you know what? Bush was man enough to take full ownership and blame for the aftermath even though it really wasn't his fault. Red tape and local bureacy played a huge role in preventing federal aid getting to the needy.

Now it is day 5 and the victims of Sandy are still suffering. People aren't getting the basic needs. We don't know the true death toll yet. Response has been slow or non-existant in areas like Staton Island. So what is Obama doing? Why he is on the campaign trail right now talking trash about Romney. His display of compassion sure did appear to end quickly.

While realistically, I don't think it's fair to blame Obama completely for the lack of resources and poor responses, it wasn't fair to blame Bush either. If Bush deserves to be blasted for Katrina, Obama deserves the same.
You want Obama to personally clean up a mess that encompasses an area almost the size of western Europe and you want it done in less than 5 days or you going to be real mad at President Obama,you're right its not realistic expectation...
Bush got roasted for Katrina because he did nothing,
I doubt theres anything this President can ever do to please you so just go ahead and vote for Romney he'll fix everything with a big food drive and without FEMA....
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Old 11-03-2012, 03:12 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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What was Bush hindering? I think that is the question being asked. Why did the left wing lunatics start the mantra that Bush hates black people and on and on. Well because that is what they do I guess. Actually I haven't heard much of any "blame" on Obama for the recovery or anything else joking aside. Now some are not happy with him running off to Vegas but he tends to do that after things happen here lately. Must have a gambling problem and that's how he deals with stress.

"Do people really think that a few days after a storm of that magnitude that all will be back to normal?"

Yes they did after Katrina. Fact is nothing really got done until the military, which is the one function of our government that actually kicks butt and gets things done, took over.
You think? such a miracle. where in the OP's post does it say bush was hindering? nowhere that I can find. I don't even see that magical word you pulled out of the rabbit hat.

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To this day, liberals will get red faced and steam come out of their ears when you mention Bush and hurricane Katrina. The media has roasted Bush good over the response of that disaster. And you know what? Bush was man enough to take full ownership and blame for the aftermath even though it really wasn't his fault. Red tape and local bureacy played a huge role in preventing federal aid getting to the needy.

Now it is day 5 and the victims of Sandy are still suffering. People aren't getting the basic needs. We don't know the true death toll yet. Response has been slow or non-existant in areas like Staton Island. So what is Obama doing? Why he is on the campaign trail right now talking trash about Romney. His display of compassion sure did appear to end quickly.

While realistically, I don't think it's fair to blame Obama completely for the lack of resources and poor responses, it wasn't fair to blame Bush either. If Bush deserves to be blasted for Katrina, Obama deserves the same.
Are you reading tea leaves or something?
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