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Old 11-03-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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One big problem -- many of the people who kill their babies actually become pregnant soon after as a sick attempt to replace the baby they had killed. The same people having the most babies out of wedlock also have the highest abortion rates. Sometimes they keep one child if they think it'll keep it's father coming around, they'll have another killed to punish the father or because they don't want him coming around.

And many who have abortions conceive 4 or 5 or more times and have them all killed -- and what kind of mothers would these people make? I'm all for sterilization as it makes abortion less likely.
Do you have any verifiable data to support your ludicrous post or are you just posting BS opinion and hoping that someone, somewhere will believe it is fact.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Alexandria
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People having fewer children is a good thing. Babies are you know EXPENSIVE!
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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"Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" - so goes another biblical warning Americans have long forgotten. There are many contributors to our economic woes, but they all pale in comparison with the 800 lb gorilla behind the curtain: a plummeting birthrate. It doesn't really matter what our economic policies are if the future only brings us fewer producers, fewer innovators, fewer entrepreneurs, fewer customers, and fewer taxpayers. Do you want new jobs? New jobs require new enterprises, which require new entrepreneurs - and they aren't coming. New products and services require new markets, which require new customers - and they aren't there. Oh, wait, there is one category of consumers that is increasing, and that is the elderly who need healthcare. But if their healthcare is primarily taxpayer funded, we have a problem - there are no new taxpayers.

We're headed for the economic and human barrenhood of Greece, with one of the lowest birthrates in the world - 100 grandparents have only 42 grandchildren. When the family tree is upside down, the economy soon follows.

At best, this recession is "the new normal", and will not turn around until we decisively reject the anti-family, anti-natalist, anti-life ideology that is gripping the once-Christian West today. At worst, we're a generation too late and economic collapse is unavoidable ... but I try not to think about that.
Have you ever noticed how liberals/communists, especially those who call themselves environmentalists are always telling white people to stop having children because the country can't support any more people? Always carping about overpopulation, limited resources and such. Yet at the same time these lefties encourage unfettered immigration from every third world hellhole on the planet. Coincidence or is something more sinister going on?
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Austin
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This is why we need to teach abstinence only education in schools. Need to get that birthrate up.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:04 PM
 
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The problem is that having lots of babies has benefits for society at large but not to the people who actually have them. It's not anti-life, anti-family crusaders convincing people not to have children. People are just reaching that conclusion themselves that to be economically successful it is better to wait to have children and then have only 1 or 2.

That's why we need immigration.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:22 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Gosh, I dunno. Is it really ethical for other states to depend upon an endless Californian brain and money drain to keep THEIR economies going?
Not if they are implementing policies for that express purpose.

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As an American, I didn't realize it was my job to concern myself with the well-being of foreign societies. If the EU collapses and Europe reverts to a continent of small, squabbling countries, won't the U.S. ultimately be better off (as per the standard right-wing narrative)?
As a human being, it's your job to concern yourself with the good of your fellow men everywhere. (And if you haven't noticed by now, I'm not your "standard right-winger".)
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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How would you like to carry the burden of feeding and clothing and meeting the wishes of nearly 1.5 billion people living in a space the size of the USA. Or even worse nearly the same number of people living in a space only 1/3 the size of the USA. I don't want to wish on a future American President the problems that President Hu Jintao (soon to be suceeded by Xi Jinping) or Prime Minister Singh has each and every day.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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The problem is that having lots of babies has benefits for society at large but not to the people who actually have them. It's not anti-life, anti-family crusaders convincing people not to have children. People are just reaching that conclusion themselves that to be economically successful it is better to wait to have children and then have only 1 or 2.

That's why we need immigration.
It's the exact reverse. In a welfare state like the USA, each baby brings in more food stamps, more WIC coupons and costs the mother nothing at all. It's the taxpayers, the society at large that ends up paying for them and the continuing problems. We might benefit from some legal immigrants here through employer sponsorship but those immigrants don't tend to have very large numbers of children. If they have to support them themselves, they aren't going to have as many as the freeloaders.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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Have you ever noticed how liberals/communists, especially those who call themselves environmentalists are always telling white people to stop having children because the country can't support any more people? Always carping about overpopulation, limited resources and such. Yet at the same time these lefties encourage unfettered immigration from every third world hellhole on the planet. Coincidence or is something more sinister going on?
I've noticed. They want to make it unaffordable for those who work for a living and pay taxes to afford to ever have children. They're targetting the middle class taxpaying group with all their birth control and abortion tactics but at the same time they want unlimited immigration from third world nations with runaway birth rates and they want those same American taxpayers to pay for all these births.

The left's policies have more to do with the destruction of the American middle class and the establishment of a two class society, the elites and the very large welfare class that the elites can control.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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