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View Poll Results: What is your opinion on the dissolution of the United States?
I lean conservative, and I actually find the idea interesting. 35 22.88%
I lean conservative, and I am 100% against the idea. Period. 36 23.53%
I lean liberal, and I find the idea kind of interesting. 30 19.61%
I lean liberal, and I am 100% against the idea. Period. 52 33.99%
Voters: 153. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-04-2012, 06:21 PM
 
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All you separatist douche bags are free to go anywhere in the world that will accept you. But if you try to break up the union, expect to be crushed, just like the last time. Like I said, far easier to lay off the Fox News and Limbaugh and realize conservatives and liberals and even socialists are all Americans, and we have to work together. This whole thread is a testimony to the destructiveness and unpatriotic nature of hate radio.
It's not unpatriotic. First of all the Constitution allows for it. The states are not supposed to be bound together by force. It's far more democratic to allow each group to have their own self-rule.

The Conservative nation would be much ore like the US was intended to be, if anything it's the liberal states that have left the true union.

It's become like a very bad marriage. And don't we all think separation and divorce is better than staying in a rotten marriage? What do they call it in divorce? Irreconcilable differences.

Why on earth are liberals so loathe to the idea? I have not met a liberal yet that had anything but utter despise for the Southern states and it's people. And they hate Texas with a passion. And Arizona. A liberal easterner certainly does not feel any thing at all in common with someone from fly-over country.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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Here's how liberals should see it -- think of the Conservative and other Americans that want to see a breakup as Palestinians just wanting their own state.

There -- now you get it!
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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It's not unpatriotic. First of all the Constitution allows for it. The states are not supposed to be bound together by force. It's far more democratic to allow each group to have their own self-rule.

The Conservative nation would be much ore like the US was intended to be, if anything it's the liberal states that have left the true union.

It's become like a very bad marriage. And don't we all think separation and divorce is better than staying in a rotten marriage? What do they call it in divorce? Irreconcilable differences.

Why on earth are liberals so loathe to the idea? I have not met a liberal yet that had anything but utter despise for the Southern states and it's people. And they hate Texas with a passion. And Arizona. A liberal easterner certainly does not feel any thing at all in common with someone from fly-over country.
Good post!
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Here's how liberals should see it -- think of the Conservative and other Americans that want to see a breakup as Palestinians just wanting their own state.

There -- now you get it!
Yeah, but those war mongers will just reconquer them in a week or two.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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En-mass? Really? If our congressmen and senators are not cooperating it's because our peoples are divided. It shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.
You're still in denial mode thinking that your senators and congressmen are anything in the least influenced by what their constituents think.

I say your "peoples" are divided "BECAUSE" of their partisan leadership nonsense and a constant barrage of crud flowing downhill from their lofty heights. They tell you what they think you want to hear then blame the other party for whatever "failure to launch" they might have.

Instead of blaming them and holding them to account you look at each other and start throwing rocks because that's who your rep was pointing at when he refused to accept responsibility.

I've listened to morons who couldn't form a full sentence talk about those "damn democrats" or "rotten republicans" and they have no idea who the hell they're talking about but that's the tone of rhetoric coming out of Washington so they make like parrots.

And it isn't that hard to comprehend!
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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i think the US should break up into 1000+ city states
Can you imagine the hassle it would be if you were a long haul truck driver? You might have to stop at 50 or more border check points on a typical trip. How is this a good thing?
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:21 PM
 
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Question, which state had 100% of the people vote for either candidate in any election?



Good point!
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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In any case, I'm not interested in breaking up the country. I see no reason for it, and even debating it or raising it as some sort of necessity going forward seems treasonous to me...or ay least unpatriotic to a large degree.
You're entitled, but of course, this is the City-Data Forum, not the Patriotic American forum, so we'll keep debating it all the same.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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We were forced into firing first..just like the Japanese were pushed into attacking the US...I am sure you know this...
That's largely true, but that isn't really relevant to the point I was making to the PP.

Had the South not fired first, it is unlikely that Lincoln could've pushed war measures to suppress secession. Even as things were, the war was not all that popular in most of the North. Which means that a fully peaceful secessionist movement has never been tried; ergo, the war did not "settle" the legal status of secession as such. That's what I was arguing.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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Can you imagine the hassle it would be if you were a long haul truck driver? You might have to stop at 50 or more border check points on a typical trip. How is this a good thing?
it would necessitate open borders and free trade, and would generate competition to be the freest. any regime which tried to restrict things would prolly not survive very long.

obviously some would suck. but some of the city states would be a lot better than anything that exists now.
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