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He is wrong: for all races! He needs to Read Bell Hooks take on America! Did you folks ever realize that the reason you're losing everything is that your whole statistical reasoning is based on lies. From the Welfare statistics, to the statistics on education, you have manipulated data so much you actually believe the drivel! When whites failed the ISTAT, you invented the ACT, When they caught you cheating, you invented the SAT! When you got caught trying to force patriarchy on the descendants of superwomen, you invented freud and Monyihan. Thank God for Cornel West and Bell Hooks who gave us enough truth to save ourselves. Now you want to make more white women victims of this misguided nonsense!?
GD! No wonder your race is dying. Maybe it is high time you built yourselves a whites married only enclave! I bet we will find quite a few sensible white women who won't set foot in it! We black women have already given the"black muslims" the boot!
Not my race. I am one of the "we black women" He is not wrong. And bell hooks (Gloria Watkins), a native of my home state, is an extremely radical feminist who sees things only in terms of her own race and gender.
Why does Murray assume that the fact that 60% of working class whites don't go to church is a bad thing? That really is a matter of perspective and, in my view, is a good thing.
Being a "bum" isn't really a problem for a man as long as he isn't homeless and can still find women with which to have relationships. That would not change even with increased social ostracism, since our society is fairly fragmented to begin with. Who cares if your neighbor regards you as a bum? Quite a few people have no idea who their neighbors are.
So his suggestion is interesting in theory, but utterly impracticable and also incompatible with the actual nature of modern society.
No shame in a hard day's work. I always enjoyed the physicality of hard, menial jobs (when I was young). My biggest beef with it was the low pay and the stupid conversations. I recall building a fence with a guy who spent all day everyday bragging about his sexual conquests. It got old after about 5 minutes, the next few months became torture. Not everyone is like that though. I had a lot of fun working with field crews doing trail and watershed work. There is no shame in doing physical work. Not everyone is going to be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or software engineer, so why feel bad about it. Find something you can learn to do well, and do it.
Absolutely. I've never frowned upon another man because he doesn't have some sort of big title.
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Originally Posted by Just_the_facts
Why does Murray assume that the fact that 60% of working class whites don't go to church is a bad thing? That really is a matter of perspective and, in my view, is a good thing.
It's actually a WONDERFUL thing. The less church attendance we have in this country, the better.
Also, the author assumes that males that are not working or looking for work are somehow inferior. But what about males who stay at home with children while the other parent works? I suppose Murray implicitly views them as somehow inferior, though I don't know why.
Why does Murray assume that the fact that 60% of working class whites don't go to church is a bad thing? That really is a matter of perspective and, in my view, is a good thing.
He just sees a statistical correlation between religion and good behavior/outcomes for the Fishtown folks.
Being a "bum" isn't really a problem for a man as long as he isn't homeless and can still find women with which to have relationships. That would not change even with increased social ostracism, since our society is fairly fragmented to begin with. Who cares if your neighbor regards you as a bum? Quite a few people have no idea who their neighbors are.
So his suggestion is interesting in theory, but utterly impracticable and also incompatible with the actual nature of modern society.
Murray actually has a "bum" standard, I forget what he calls it, something about being "economically viable" or "productive" or something like that. His standard is somewhere in the neighborhood of $15K which is slightly above minimum wage working full time.
It's another one of his indicators he tracks (only for men I think) to show that the sky is falling. This stat ties in with (lack of) marriage because men who are not economically viable are generally considered (by women, at least, who are the deciders) to be unmarriageable.
Not my race. I am one of the "we black women" He is not wrong. And bell hooks (Gloria Watkins), a native of my home state, is an extremely radical feminist who sees things only in terms of her own race and gender.
I think bell hooks sees beyond her own race and gender, and "extremely radical" is certainly a value-laden matter of opinion.
I wouldn't consider anyone with a job (any job including caring for their children) a bum. I wouldn't consider anyone who cannot work due to disability a bum. I wouldn't consider anyone who is actively looking for work a bum. I would consider anyone who is physically able, but unwilling to work or look for work a bum. I judge people on their efforts or lack thereof. I've never looked at a person doing their job, regardless of what the job is, and thought "what a bum".
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I bet we will find quite a few sensible white women who won't set foot in it! We black women have already given the"black muslims" the boot!
