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Old 11-07-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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No, the lazy bums were the ones that decided to put what they wanted that day ahead of paying for insurance.

If you care about these folks so much, why don't you donate all YOUR money to help them out. I know the answer to why you don't - libs always want to spend someone else's money.
Pat, nonsensical dogma based in nothing but pure fantasy.

Hey that should be the ERW'ers slogan for next election!
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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spare me, dog. you lost it. just because
the president is not a republican, we lost it?




get the heck..
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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What a sane, logical and rational observation.

Unfortunately, here in the US there are religious fanatics who have co-opted the word "conservatism."

The GOP lost because it was being run by extreme Fundamentalists who clouded the message of fiscal responsibility, prudent investment, reducing the deficit ... with all that nonsense such as staunch opposition to abortion even in cases of rape and incest, restricting women's reproductive freedom, arrogant denial about damaging the environment, and their seething hatred and bigotry against the LGBT community.
Let's not forget that in the last twenty years fiscal conservatism has been used as a synonym for not spending money instead of spending it in an intelligent manner.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:00 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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You really live in an alternative universe, don't you.....
Sure do! The alternative universe to your fact-free one!
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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This election was more of a sign that Americans are afraid of the religious right than that they support the President. With the right claiming things like Democrats don't have jobs, only the lazy are liberal, the 47%, etc etc, a lot of people who might ideologically be more conservative either voted for Obama, a 3rd party, or sat this one out.

I am one of the more liberal posters on this forum and in addition to working full time through a stage IV cancer diagnosis and treatment, graduating with no student loan debt because I chose a school that gave me a full tuition scholarship, and paying all of my taxes, I also likely would have voted for someone like Jon Huntsman who ran as a Republican. Unfortunately, Huntsman never had a shot in comparison to people I perceive as lunatics like Ryan, Huckabee, and Romney.

Huntsman is wildly intelligent, has experience as both a governor and the Ambassador to Singapore and China, and business acumen. He's also a moderate Republican, a Mormon, and the child of a billionaire. He has adopted children (something I always look for when talking about pro-life candidates), acknowledges global warming as well as incorporates science into his faith, supported civil unions if not same-sex marriage, and is generally a stellar candidate for President. And, of course, he has been utterly shunned from the Republican party.

If the Republicans can put up more Jon Huntsman's rather than Paul Ryan's, they would be in better shape and get liberals like me to consider voting across party lines.
My husband, who is a dyed-in-the-wool Dem, really respects Huntsman. I'm not sure DH would vote for him, but he certainly likes the guy.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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Because legal gay marriage and legal abortion is not impugning others' rights. Using your religion to dictate other people's freedom does violate people's rights.
Actually, we do it all the time.

There are laws against murder - which is biblical. Yet this is OK. Same for stealing. It's against the law, but it's biblical. So some things that come from the Bible are OK. There are others.

My point on this is that they are two directly opposing viewpoints - for or against gay marriage - for or against abortion. How can one viewpoint be religious, and the other be non-religious - just because I have a God and a book and you don't? I think it is just as "religious" or "spiritual" to vote in favor of gay marriage, as it is to oppose it - it's just that those in favor don't have God behind their viewpoint.

I just think those in favor of gay marriage use religion and God as leverage to silence the opposition.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Christ also said "give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime". Don't act all high and mighty, when you're perfectly willing to steal another's property to further your own views of "fairness" and "equality".
It's a good proverb, but I don't believe Christ said this.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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The GOP lost because it was being run by extreme Fundamentalists who clouded the message of fiscal responsibility, prudent investment, reducing the deficit ... with all that nonsense such as staunch opposition to abortion even in cases of rape and incest, restricting women's reproductive freedom, arrogant denial about damaging the environment, and their seething hatred and bigotry against the LGBT community.
One of the problems American conservatives have is the idea of "prudent investment". Many of them feel free to posture that the entirety of the federal government could be successfully done away with, or that the government can't put useful social programs in place.

When it comes down to it, people like government. You might momentarily think that speeding tickets are crap when you've been pulled over in an obvious speed trap, but a small part of you knows you're better off being pulled over than there being no traffic laws.

I would agree that the Republican party needs to promote more people like Jon Huntsman, perhaps Christie really does have a shot at 2016.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Actually, we do it all the time.

There are laws against murder - which is biblical. Yet this is OK. Same for stealing. It's against the law, but it's biblical. So some things that come from the Bible are OK. There are others.

My point on this is that they are two directly opposing viewpoints - for or against gay marriage - for or against abortion. How can one viewpoint be religious, and the other be non-religious - just because I have a God and a book and you don't? I think it is just as "religious" or "spiritual" to vote in favor of gay marriage, as it is to oppose it - it's just that those in favor don't have God behind their viewpoint.

I just think those in favor of gay marriage use religion and God as leverage to silence the opposition.
Murder and stealing violate others' rights to life and their property. Furthermore, being against murder or stealing is certainly not exclusive to Christianity. MANY people of all belief systems believe this to be wrong.

I am for free choice. I am not "for" abortion or gay marriage. I am for equal rights under the law. There is nothing religious or spiritual about it. It's mere logic that tells me all people should have equal rights under the law.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Yes, that's exactly why your candidate lost.
No, Romney lost because the "takers" now outnumber the productive people.

Actually, America lost.
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