Do you support the bill about the Armenian Genocide? (impeachment, suspect, Clinton)
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I'm making bumper stickers that say, "Never Forgive, Never Forget the Armenian Genocide." I have about 10,000 advanced orders from Glendale, CA.
I live in Glendale. I picked up an Armenian newspaper this week and I happened to read an article that stated that Russia's trade with Turkey increased 350%+ after they officially denounced the Armenian genocide. The same thing happened to Greece too.
As far as the affect on our relations with Turkey, I don't think there will be one.
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Bernard Lewis (Princeton University)
"There is no evidence of a decision to (Armenian) massacre. On the contrary, there is considerable evidence of attempt to prevent it.
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Prof. Justin McCarthy (University of Louisville; expert in population research and genocide research)
"The Blue Book written by Viscount Bryce and Arnold Toynbee has been used as proof that Armenians and the victims of the Jewish Holocaust suffered the same fate in history. This book has been said to be a product of British intelligence designed to promote and promulgate lies during World War I. Britain had set up the war propaganda bureau at Wellington House for the sole purpose of promoting lies and misinformation on Germany and the Ottoman Empire. The British were in full co-operation with American missionaries in Anatolia and the American Embassy in Istanbul conjured a so called Armenian genocide based on gossip, hear-say and erroneous information.
The real purpose behind this exercise was to create and strengthen an image in the minds of British military officers that the Turk were evil, horrible and untrustworthy McCarthy adds.
Among other well-known historians who do not name the 1915 civil war a 'genocide' and are against calling these events a 'genocide' are Heath Lowry (Princeton University), Gilles Veinstein (College de France), Stanford Shaw (UCLA), J.C. Hurewitz (Columbia University), Guenter Lewy (University of Massachusetts), Roderic Davison (Central European University), Jeremy Salt (University of Melbourne), Malcolm Yapp (University of London) and Rhoads Murphey (University of Birmingham).
On May 19, 1985, a total of 63 scholars from various American universities sent a letter to the U.S. House of representatives opposing the House Joint Resolution 192 which defines the events of 1915 as genocide.
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Prof. Norman Stone (British historian of modern Europe, especially Central and Eastern Europe, served at the University of Oxford)
Diaspora Armenians claim that ‘historians’ accept the genocide case. There is some preposterous organization called ‘association of genocide scholars’ which does indeed endorse the Diaspora line, but who are they and what qualifications do they have? Knowing about Rwanda or Bosnia or even Auschwitz does not qualify them to discuss Anatolia in 1915, and the Ottoman specialists are by no means convinced of the ‘genocide’. There is in fact an ‘A’ team of distinguished historians who do not accept the Diaspora line at all. In France, Gilles Veinstein, historian of Salonica and a formidable scholar, reviewed the evidence in a famous article of 1993 in L’Histoire. Back then the Armenian Diaspora were also jumping up and down about something or other, and Veinstein summed up the arguments for and against, in an admirably fair-minded way. The fact is that there is no proof of ‘genocide’, in the sense that no document ever appeared, indicating that the Armenians were to be exterminated. There is forged evidence.
Politicians can not and should not re-write the history.
Prof. Norman Stone (British historian of modern Europe, especially Central and Eastern Europe, served at the University of Oxford)
Diaspora Armenians claim that ‘historians’ accept the genocide case. There is some preposterous organization called ‘association of genocide scholars’ which does indeed endorse the Diaspora line, but who are they and what qualifications do they have? Knowing about Rwanda or Bosnia or even Auschwitz does not qualify them to discuss Anatolia in 1915, and the Ottoman specialists are by no means convinced of the ‘genocide’. There is in fact an ‘A’ team of distinguished historians who do not accept the Diaspora line at all. In France, Gilles Veinstein, historian of Salonica and a formidable scholar, reviewed the evidence in a famous article of 1993 in L’Histoire. Back then the Armenian Diaspora were also jumping up and down about something or other, and Veinstein summed up the arguments for and against, in an admirably fair-minded way. The fact is that there is no proof of ‘genocide’, in the sense that no document ever appeared, indicating that the Armenians were to be exterminated. There is forged evidence.
Politicians can not and should not re-write the history.
Russia and Greece denounced it YEARS before we did. There is plenty of evidence of Armenian genocide.
Who are you? You have no history here/no cred. ??? Why should we believe you?
Russia and Greece denounced it YEARS before we did. There is plenty of evidence of Armenian genocide.
Who are you? You have no history here/no cred. ??? Why should we believe you?
Why are you so upset!!!
I did not write any of mt thoughts, so there is nothing to believe. I did not write my own thoughts because I am not a Historian.
So you are..
But I did make some research, and put down the results of some of the well known Historians opinions.
Why don't you try to learn what to well known Historians says about the subject, insteaf of learning who am I and trying to judge me with my history here.
Turks opened all their OTTOMAN archives to researchers but Armeninans dod not.
Why do you think they are not letting Historians do their research.??*
Why do you think Prof. Stanford Shaw's house bombed by Armenian extremists as a result of his research on the alleged genocide.???
Wow, you wrongly read a lot of BS into my post, and (apparently) ignored the things you didn't like.
I never even mentioned Hitler, so I don't know where your comment about that came from. I just mentioned Ford because he was well known to dislike Jews and published articles on it (in case someone wanted to research it). Most history books don't tell the uglier parts of the home country's existence.
I mentioned the public donations and the popularity to illustrate how it is essentially dictated by the free market (in $$$ and in participation). Wouldn't going against such a well funded and popular thing because you don't like it would be essentially against a free market program. I never said you were under any other impression about funding (and yes, I saw you mention Eli in regards to funding donations).
What else would a top-down dictatorial decision like removing one of (if not THE) most popular attraction in Washington D.C. be but anti-free market?
In any case, it is about damned time our government put Turkey in check for being in denial of the Armenian Genocide. If Germany denied the Holocaust happened, a formal resolution would be the least we could do.
I personally wish we'd do an economic sanction (along with the EU) on Turkey until they admit it happened (just like we'd do to a Holocaust denying Germany).
Sanction them for acts more than 60 years old? Then we better sanction Russia who slaughtered unarmed civilians during WWII. And I don't mean the enemy I mean the liberated. They raped and pillaged their way to berlin and this is a well known fact. Shall we punish russia for killing as many jews as they did? They were not any less innocent than Hitler. They just happened to be on the winning side. Sanctions? But why stop at 60 years? Lets go back to known history's begining. Where do you draw the line? I am no fan of turkey having been to that sewage pit. I do however believe that this appologist politics is flat out wrong. Why do we need to punish several generations of people for crimes they didn't commit? What about africa and all the genocides that have happened there? Shall we sanction those countries even thosgh most of those responsible are long dead?
Libs make me sick with their ever loving need to appologize. Besides that what good is an appology if it is forced?
Understand I make no point here regards the validity or awfullness of any of the genocides perpetrated throughout history including our own. What I am saying with absolute total certainty is this.
Connect the dots...connect the dots...connect the dots. The Democrats are demonstrating the evil that truly belongs to them. Not all of them but within their legions. Why are they raising this issue at this time. To incite the Turks,- to do anything they can to jeopardize our war effort. These people are homicidal maniacs. There is a satanic flare to all that is Pelosi. Do not be deceived by her idiotic smile and more idiotic stare. One scary b..ch.
Understand I make no point here regards the validity or awfullness of any of the genocides perpetrated throughout history including our own. What I am saying with absolute total certainty is this.
Connect the dots...connect the dots...connect the dots. The Democrats are demonstrating the evil that truly belongs to them. Not all of them but within their legions. Why are they raising this issue at this time. To incite the Turks,- to do anything they can to jeopardize our war effort. These people are homicidal maniacs. There is a satanic flare to all that is Pelosi. Do not be deceived by her idiotic smile and more idiotic stare. One scary b..ch.
the reason why they would use a 90 year old piece of history is to keep from pulling the funding to our troops directly. Why? because it would show that the democratic congress is willing to loose a war. Jeopardizing anything our troops get is a STUPID thing to do. you cannot pull that amount of troops out by the time the supply's are gone. Which means soldiers get killed, our brothers, sons, daughters, moms, dads aunts, uncles will get KILLED because of a decision to make a friend into an enemy over very old history!
what happened to this same congress saying that we should not be making enemy's in this world with other countries? but wow, its OK for congress to turn a friend into an enemy.
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