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Old 11-12-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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It is the same reason they are forced to pay for Social Security, Medicare and Workers Compensation. It is a cost of doing business. Nothing communist about it.
Yep, it's the cost of doing business now. Lets take payroll taxes. This is money the companies could have paid you but instead pay the government. The same with Obamacare, this is money the companies have to pay the government instead of keeping their employees full time.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yep, it's the cost of doing business now. Lets take payroll taxes. This is money the companies could have paid you but instead pay the government. The same with Obamacare, this is money the companies have to pay the government instead of keeping their employees full time.
Redistribution of wealth from one pocket to the government.
Only people thought it would be the company's pocket and not their own.

It always ends up coming from our pocket but people don't see that.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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Redistribution of wealth from one pocket to the government.
Only people thought it would be the company's pocket and not their own.

It always ends up coming from our pocket but people don't see that.
Exactly, then to make it worse the government always takes a huge handling fee. In this case it will go to more green energy.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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You could give Applebees a 100% tax deduction and a 100% exemption from local, state and federal regulation, throw in a visit from Gordon Ramsey and they would still would lose money.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You could give Applebees a 100% tax deduction and a 100% exemption from local, state and federal regulation, throw in a visit from Gordon Ramsey and they would still would lose money.
Applebee's has some franchise restuarants owned by local small business owners. What I find interesting is that people will either condemn or praise a business for the supposed politics of the firm. Since you are on the Left and since you agree with Obamacare you choose to condemn Applebees as unprofitable.

Well in my neck of the woods Applebees is one of th few sit down restuarants in an overwhelmingly Black area. It employs an almost exclusively Black staff and serves and almost exclusively black customer base. In short it is one of the few commercial tax paying businesses in an area devoid of even a fraction of the tax base other counties in the area enjoy.

So to you and many on the Left it doesn't matter that Applebees or PapaJohns or any business for that matter provides services and employment to the very group of people you profess to care about. If they cross Obama, that business must fold!

What's becoming clear to me is that the Left has faux concern for the poor or disenfranchised as they put it. Ideology will always reign supreme the poor slos that get ground into dust are simply causulties on the road to perfect socialist utopia.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Well in my neck of the woods Applebees is one of th few sit down restuarants in an overwhelmingly Black area. It employs an almost exclusively Black staff and serves and almost exclusively black customer base. In short it is one of the few commercial tax paying businesses in an area devoid of even a fraction of the tax base other counties in the area enjoy.
And did that particular Applebee's franchisee start because Obama won?

I didn't think so.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If I owned a restaurant right now, I'd cut all of my employees back to less than 30 hours per week and hire more employees to avoid both the cost of insurance and the penalty. Small businesses are not in position to pay for benefits for their employees. Not if they want to stay in business. I predict there simply will be no full time jobs with these businesses in the future. Cutting hours will result in people being LESS likely to afford insurance. But, on the bright side, lots of low paying 29 hour a week jobs will be out there for the taking. Of course, you can make more on unemployment...
Other than a manager, ( and probably the illegal guy washing dishes) it's a rare restaurant employee who has full time hours. There's a lot of dead time between lunch and dinner and a huge difference between weeknight and weekend dining.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Can you explain this further? My experience has been that "large" employers (large according to the health insuance companies) do better on premiums because they are considered to have a large enough pool to spread the risk and they are large enought to negotiate better rates. Arguing that the majority of the workforce consists if 20-somethings should work in their favor I would think.
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Well, if I were opening a restaurant to take the place of Applebees, I would hire as few people as possible to avoid the mandates of Obamacare.

What liberals fail to understand is that corporations and businesses are not charities. They are in it to make a profit and not offer lots of goodies.

If you want free healthcare, go to a charity. It is not my job, the government's, rich people, or anyone else's job to provide for you.
You totally lost your cred with that one.

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Why should a business be forced to proved ANYTHING, unless it was negotiated with the employee?

The cause and effect of Obamacare is that the COST of it will cause certain business decisions to be made.

Communist nations think that the government should dictate and control every aspect of an individual's life.
Yeah, screw the wages and hours act, and all the rest. Now I know a lot of RWs would like to do away with minimum wage, but it's not going to happen.

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Bingo. It's communist thinking being forced in a capitalist society.
Oh, for God's sake!
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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Applebee's is in Canada and doesn't cry about paying for universal health care there? Why do they wine about it here?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Applebee's is in Canada and doesn't cry about paying for universal health care there? Why do they wine about it here?
B/C they can find people stupid enough to believe their whining!
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