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So of course you don't want to talk about it and you agree that it was Obama and DEMS who threw America under the bus.
I've talked about it, investigated it, puked in my mouth about it. It took everything I had in me just to write what I did in here about it.
Democrats have their own "fact sheet" on whose fault it was. The funny thing about that is they bring up the fact that the congress and president were all republicans and on the next thread, when talking about the ACA, they'll argue that they barely had a filibuster proof majority in congress and republicans were getting in the way of "progress" every chance they could.
107th 2001–2003
Senate
Total - 100
Dems - 50
Reps - 50
Other - —
Vacant - —
House
Total - 435
Dems - 212
Reps - 221
Other- 2
108th 2003–2005
Senate
Total - 100
Dems - 48
Reps - 50
Other - 1
Vacant - —
House
Total - 435
Dems - 205
Reps - 229
Other - 1
109th 2005–2007
Senate
Total - 100
Dems - 44
Reps - 55
Other - 1
Vacant - —
House
Total - 435
Dems - 202
Reps - 231
Other - 1
Trying to expose the real culprits is like a practice in futility and a wild goose chase because the blame could go around to just about everyone.
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I'm sure there are 3.5 million threads for that here on C-D but this isn't one of them and HappyTexan was correct in what she/he said.
The topic of this thread is: Newsflash: Lousy businesses that were failing anyway lay people off, use "Obamcare" as excuse
Yeah, this whole "Obamacare is killing business" is total b.s.. To begin with, by the time it's fully phased in in 2016, the Obamacare tax will total $695 per employee (roughly only $13/week or <14¢ per hr. for a 40 hr. work week). And that's before businesses ditch their current private providers, which now cost businesses on average aprox $950/year per employee!
I guess Uncle Sam forgot that less hours equals less pay and less taxes paid. From 40 to 28 is almost a 33% reduction in gross pay. Think of the consequences on the deficit.
Yeah, this whole "Obamacare is killing business" is total b.s.. To begin with, by the time it's fully phased in in 2016, the Obamacare tax will total $695 per employee (roughly only $13/week or <14¢ per hr. for a 40 hr. work week). And that's before businesses ditch their current private providers, which now cost businesses on average aprox $950/year per employee!
That's only a small fraction of what Obamacare will cost employers.
Imagine you're an employer providing healthcare "insurance" to your employees and you suddenly have to pay for your employee's children up to 26. Then you have yearly limits removed and your "insurance" provider has to cover all per-exisiting conditions. Then you have lifetime limits removed.
You think all that is going to cost less to employees and employers?
Some of the industries where profit margins are very high might be able to suck up those cost but to companies where profit margins are 5 -10% are going to have a hard time justifying keeping employees on the payroll so that they can just break even or make instead 1% of profit.
The best case scenario is employers will find ways to keep their employees but will find a way so that they don't have to absorb the cost of having to "insure" that employee.
Regardless of what some of you think, businesses aren't created to make friends, employ people or to subsidize your lifestyle.
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I guess Uncle Sam forgot that less hours equals less pay and less taxes paid. From 40 to 28 is almost a 33% reduction in gross pay. Think of the consequences on the deficit.
no, no, no, you're thinking of it backwards..
a reduction in pay to 28 hours, means they get to have 2 part time jobs, meaning they will now work 56 hours to earn what they did in 40, and Obama gets to take credit for creating 1 more job.
Sorry I can't reveal who it is, I am not part of Human Resources staff. It wouldn't be ethical of me to promote employment without my employer's permission.
The economy is betting better, it's just that it is happening very slowly.
Yeah, this whole "Obamacare is killing business" is total b.s.. To begin with, by the time it's fully phased in in 2016, the Obamacare tax will total $695 per employee (roughly only $13/week or <14¢ per hr. for a 40 hr. work week). And that's before businesses ditch their current private providers, which now cost businesses on average aprox $950/year per employee!
Sorry I can't reveal who it is, I am not part of Human Resources staff. It wouldn't be ethical of me to promote employment without my employer's permission.
The economy is betting better, it's just that it is happening very slowly.
There would be nothing unethical about telling people what companeis are hiring.
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