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You don't understand polling. those making under $30,000 most of whom worked only represented 20% of all voters.
Yes, they voted overwhelmingly for the President, but they only represent about 15million of the 62million votes the president received.
80% of all voters had household incomes above $30,000 and the President received the 46.5million votes from those voters.
lol you are simply wrong. Whenever the stats don't fit the liberal agenda it is always because someone "just doesn't understand."
The overall point is that those who are the least educated (a HS diploma or less) and with the lowest income levels (making less than 30k per year), regarldess of what percentage of voters they represented, overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Those with a college degree and an income level above 50k supported Romney.
The "47%" won for the eletection for Obama. And Romney was correct in his assessment that there was "no way" that he could win the majority vote of those within income bracket. Ostensibly, if Romney had of run on a compassionate conservative "pro-welfare" ticket, he may have gotten his fair share of that 47%.
You still don't get it do you? That falsehood's reside on both sides of the isle. That until you actually start discussing the problems and admit that major mistakes are attributable to both sides instead of being condescending we're going to get no where. That a my way or no way attitude is probably the biggest problem we have right now. Because as long as that kind of attitude remains on either side, our other problems are not going to get fixed.
At least tell us your solutions based on the truth as you see it.... And please make it more than.. oh the Repubs are greedy, you need to pay your fair share. Or.. the even better... make it fair for everyone. Some of us played by the rules, played fair, and are quite happy with our middle-class existence. And a lot of us middle-class republicans are tired of being told we haven't done enough.
I don't do the false equivalency thing. Look conservatives lie about public policy as a matter of course. It's just how they discuss these issues. That's why you want to talk about "welfare" even though the program is tiny. It's because you are listening to lying conservatives telling you how everyone is on welfare and lazy. That is a lie.
I don't care about sides republican or democrat. I want reality reflected in discussions about public policy. It is just so that conservatives when discussing public policy tend not to care about reality, but focus on a cohesive narrative that fits their worldview facts be damned.
I don't know, why do liberals think conservatives are right stealing racist anti-abortion religous fanatics against gay marriage?
I voted for a better economy, once we have money and are in a good situation. Then we can bicker all day over bull**** social issues.
Because that is what they ran on. Obama's birth cert. Gay marriage, abortion, birth control and Obamacare. That is why. I still don't know what you'd do about our economy except not what Obama did.
lol you are simply wrong. Whenever the stats don't fit the liberal agenda it is always because someone "just doesn't understand."
The overall point is that those who are the least educated (a HS diploma or less) and with the lowest income levels (making less than 30k per year), regarldess of what percentage of voters they represented, overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Those with a college degree and an income level above 50k supported Romney.
The "47%" won for the eletection for Obama. And Romney was correct in his assessment that there was "no way" that he could win the majority vote of those within income bracket. Ostensibly, if Romney had of run on a compassionate conservative "pro-welfare" ticket, he may have gotten his fair share of that 47%.
Yes, those with lower incomes voted for President Obama. But those voters were only 20% of those who voted for the president.
Those with college degrees voted more for Obama than Mitt Rmoney.
Again, the 47% didn't win the election for Obama since a huge percentage of those who pay no income taxes are the elderly who overwhelmingly voted for Rmoney(61%). Please deal with reality.
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I don't do the false equivalency thing. Look conservatives lie about public policy as a matter of course. It's just how they discuss these issues. That's why you want to talk about "welfare" even though the program is tiny. It's because you are listening to lying conservatives telling you how everyone is on welfare and lazy. That is a lie.
I don't care about sides republican or democrat. I want reality reflected in discussions about public policy. It is just so that conservatives when discussing public policy tend not to care about reality, but focus on a cohesive narrative that fits their worldview facts be damned.
This causes huge problems.
Solutions to what problems?
Lying conservatives as opposed to lying liberals? Hypocrisy at its best.
Oh I don't know... give me a possible solution to any problem. For heavens sake, it's not like you can't pull something out of thin air. Like we don't have any to choose from?
Lying conservatives as opposed to lying liberals? Hypocrisy at its best.
Oh I don't know... give me a possible solution to any problem. For heavens sake, it's not like you can't pull something out of thin air. Like we don't have any to choose from?
Ok, I'll pick public education. In this nation we have some public schools systems that do a good job of educating students while others do a horrible job.
We should allow students within a certain mile radius to go to any public school within that distance.
I think more than anything that would improve the education for a lot of students.
It's because Republicans love to project. Republicans absolutely love handouts (ask a Texas business or see how everyone in Houston reacted when it was announced the would cut NASA funding) so they justify taking them by villifying their opponent for taking them also.
As a few midwestern grain farmers as well. Do you know there is a subsidy for growing popcorn?
Why do the majority of the Democrat's campaign ads revolve around the premise that "the evil Republicans want to cut your SS and welfare and SSI and SNAP and Section 8 ...."? If you're not worried and don't want anything from the government and care about the debt and the deficit...
Funny, I live in a swing state and I never saw any such ads. I did see some ads saying R. wanted to eliminate Planned Parenthood, with himself speaking those very words, and I saw some ads of his rebutting this.
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Because Obama ran on the free birth control and free abortion ticket. You should have watched the democratic national convention. It was like Oprah's free giveaway shows.
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Ok, I'll pick public education. In this nation we have some public schools systems that do a good job of educating students while others do a horrible job.
We should allow students within a certain mile radius to go to any public school within that distance.
I think more than anything that would improve the education for a lot of students.
Sounds reasonable to me...
Now... what about college loans... for or against forgiveness?
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