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Old 11-13-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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It's simple logic.

Wanting your candidate to win is one thing. His campaign managers and publicists putting on a confident facade is to be expected. Even a little bit of overconfidence for the candidate you want to take the White House is hardly atypical.

But in this election cycle, Republicans risked their reputation and credibility by going on national live television and predicting that Romney will win in a landslide. They continued to do this long after the polls had already closed and Romney would gain no benefit from said vocations. They honestly believed that Romney would win, in spite of all contrary statistics and mathematical evidence!

After the election was called for Obama, Republicans were genuinely shocked. Almost no high profile right wingers even considered the possibility that Obama would defeat Romney. They literally had no concept of the fact that an objective analysis of the polls clearly indicated an Obama landslide victory. Romney had prepared no concession speech. A pro wrestler had the Romney campaign logo tatooed on his face. Plenty of Romney advisers admitted that they were shellshocked after their candidate's loss; they literally could not grasp the concept that he was the underdog.

So here's a simple question:

If the Republican Party can't predict something as simple as an election, why does it still think it can make complex economic forecasts, make complex judgments on climate change or do anything?

After all, the Republicans have demonstrated empirically that they are incapable of doing basic arithmetic. They dismiss all contrary evidence at the drop of the hat whenever convenient. And they will continue to ignore the facts and dismiss numbers as "liberal bias" for economic and social policy.

And their alternative to math, science and facts? "Gut feeling". We have Republican strategists on Fox News mocking Nate Silver's "science hokopokum...I don't believe it!". We have Republican pundits making such insightful predictions based on "crowd enthusiasm". It's frightening, because you know that they use the exact same method to come to their insane policy stances.


The Republican Party is stuck in a bubble of self delusion. You may have furiously denied this before November 6th, but now, I don't see how you could say anything else.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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I think one has to look at Gore and kerry demcratic picks plus even wander about oickig carter the first time.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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Simple: Magic and prayer. And quick deflection arguments like the above.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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I think one has to look at Gore and kerry demcratic picks plus even wander about oickig carter the first time.
Yeah, cuz it's not like Carter is one of the greatest humanitarians of all time.

Then again, to some of the folks here, that's a bad thing.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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I think one has to look at Gore and kerry demcratic picks plus even wander about oickig carter the first time.
I have no idea as to what that is suppose to mean as it relates to the OP's point.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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Yeah, cuz it's not like Carter is one of the greatest humanitarians of all time.

Then again, to some of the folks here, that's a bad thing.
Again, what does your comment have to do with the topic?
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:21 PM
 
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It's simple logic.

Wanting your candidate to win is one thing. His campaign managers and publicists putting on a confident facade is to be expected. Even a little bit of overconfidence for the candidate you want to take the White House is hardly atypical.

But in this election cycle, Republicans risked their reputation and credibility by going on national live television and predicting that Romney will win in a landslide. They continued to do this long after the polls had already closed and Romney would gain no benefit from said vocations. They honestly believed that Romney would win, in spite of all contrary statistics and mathematical evidence!

After the election was called for Obama, Republicans were genuinely shocked. Almost no high profile right wingers even considered the possibility that Obama would defeat Romney. They literally had no concept of the fact that an objective analysis of the polls clearly indicated an Obama landslide victory. Romney had prepared no concession speech. A pro wrestler had the Romney campaign logo tatooed on his face. Plenty of Romney advisers admitted that they were shellshocked after their candidate's loss; they literally could not grasp the concept that he was the underdog.

So here's a simple question:

If the Republican Party can't predict something as simple as an election, why does it still think it can make complex economic forecasts, make complex judgments on climate change or do anything?

After all, the Republicans have demonstrated empirically that they are incapable of doing basic arithmetic. They dismiss all contrary evidence at the drop of the hat whenever convenient. And they will continue to ignore the facts and dismiss numbers as "liberal bias" for economic and social policy.

And their alternative to math, science and facts? "Gut feeling". We have Republican strategists on Fox News mocking Nate Silver's "science hokopokum...I don't believe it!". We have Republican pundits making such insightful predictions based on "crowd enthusiasm". It's frightening, because you know that they use the exact same method to come to their insane policy stances.


The Republican Party is stuck in a bubble of self delusion. You may have furiously denied this before November 6th, but now, I don't see how you could say anything else.
This is one tactic they will not quit using imo.

Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

Commies. Socialists. Ragheads. Secular humanists. Blacks. ****. Feminazis. The list may change with the political Among the GOP base, there is constant harping about somebody else, some "other," who is Subversives deliberately, assiduously and with malice aforethought subverting the Good, the True and the Beautiful:. needs of the moment, but they always seem to need a scapegoat to hate and fear.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Within the Republican party exists the eternal hope that there will be no fraud and funny business.

See this thread. A logistical impossibility:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...divisions.html
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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This is one tactic they will not quit using imo.

Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

Commies. Socialists. Ragheads. Secular humanists. Blacks. ****. Feminazis. The list may change with the political Among the GOP base, there is constant harping about somebody else, some "other," who is Subversives deliberately, assiduously and with malice aforethought subverting the Good, the True and the Beautiful:. needs of the moment, but they always seem to need a scapegoat to hate and fear.
If they don't change this tactic they are, "done like dinner". Same with the "Social conservativism". It's over, Americans are not buying into this crap any longer and the ones that do are a dying breed. If the GOP wnats to succeed going forward from now, they should study up on how the Canadian right wing went from rump status to majority government in less than ten years.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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Within the Republican party exists the eternal hope that there will be no fraud and funny business.

See this thread. A logistical impossibility:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...divisions.html
If you're going to use fraud to win an election, you might want to try it areas where your candidate is already guaranteed a win.

Seriously, anyone who looked at any number of polls the week running up to the election knew what the outcome was going to be. One has to be either purposefully sheltered or willfully ignorant to have not known how it was going to end. Gut feelings aren't facts, and they certainly aren't substitutes for math and science.
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