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Old 11-15-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Easy. Because we still need to pay for Bush's wars.

Don't worry, bible-banging contards. You will still get your welfare checks from the wealthy liberal blue states.
I am not surprised someone who can only hurl childish insults isn't aware that the DEMOCRAT Senate Majority Leader co-sponsored the bill giving Bush Authority.

He whines about the wars and probably voted for Obama & BIDEN twice even though Biden voted FOR the wars.

And he calls others Cotards! (I'm sure he meant cotards and not contards)
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Plenty of the collective you come from use these and more. It remains an attack based on political opposition, be it against the President or his supporters (which was the case here).

In the USA, it actually does, unfortunately. Why else would you run around with banners for a person who isn't one? Heck, you don't even know what socialism is.

Make sane arguments, and your arguments will be treated accordingly. If you're going to stick with political bickering, bad-mouthing, labeling non-sense, and you will be treated accordingly.

Pick your poison. Or stay out.
You are so transparent.
So now I run around with banners and don't know what socialism is?
You may think you are "treating someone" accordingly sitting behind your computer, but in the real world, you are a nothing.
Your failure in life emanates from your postings. Please, I know it must be rough being you, so we will give you a pass on the unfounded empty attacks. A guy's gotta have something.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: USA
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How come conservatives can't stop blaming the poor for Obama's reelection and whining about how they're pillaging the country??? News flash: cutting all the freeloaders off of food stamps won't put a dent in our budget, either.

Really, I think all people's taxes ought to go up, once the economy improves, but this is hard when all voters hate taxes and half of Washington is drunk on tax-cuts-will-solve-the-deficit koolaid. Baby steps, people.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You are so transparent.
So now I run around with banners and don't know what socialism is?
You may think you are "treating someone" accordingly sitting behind your computer, but in the real world, you are a nothing.
Your failure in life emanates from your postings. Please, I know it must be rough being you, so we will give you a pass on the unfounded empty attacks. A guy's gotta have something.
I'm not complaining about roughness. But if feel you can be rough... stop complaining about what is returned to you. And yes, it is rather impossible to apply face of someone running around with banners, decrying socialism without having a clue, to someone over teh internets in anonymity.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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I'm not complaining about roughness. But if feel you can be rough... stop complaining about what is returned to you. And yes, it is rather impossible to apply face of someone running around with banners, decrying socialism without having a clue, to someone over teh internets in anonymity.
Hitting the bong a bit early I see.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Maine
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I read a lot of comments about job creators, unfair taxing of the rich, etc. But how many of you actually have looked at basic math? For example, if a "small business" has $500,000 of taxable income (that's after all deductions including their own salaries) and the tax rate for those earning over $250,000 goes up by 5%, that means the poor small business owner will have to pay an additional $12,500 in taxes. I seriously doubt that this amount will be the deciding factor on whether or not to hire additional personnel.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I read a lot of comments about job creators, unfair taxing of the rich, etc. But how many of you actually have looked at basic math?
You'd have better luck asking them about bongs than math.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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As a nation we are in the process of going broke. We are living beyond our means and have become a country of haves and have nots in the process. The reason Obama wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire are:

1. The money raised will be 1.6 trillion which can help the debt/deficit. The rich won't feel it.
2. This will not really impact the economy because a tax cut to the top earners will not get us out of this slump. Bush cut taxes and we went into a recession. In fact they have it now, are they spending it? Is it getting us out of the slump? No and No.
3. Obama believes in a balanced approach. We will have to cut government spending (which mostly helps the poor) but also take a little bit from the top too. All Americans need to work together to close the deficit, he wants a balanced approach and taxes is just one piece.
4. Our income inequality is probably the worst of any first world country. This is a legitimate concern here so helping even this out just a little bit is a good thing. Rich will still be rich and poor might be just a little less poor. If you have too many poor people, you get social unrest in society as a result. Occupy is just an example and if we go into a recession for many more years, then there will be even bigger movements. Not good for America. Also means less consumers, who drive the US economy ulitimately.

What's wrong with the above reasons?

I never understood how selfish people can be when it comes time to help the country. People claim to be patriotic but it comes time for action, not talk, they don't show up. This is an "indvidualistic" country but it will take "collective" effort to get out of this mess and I trust Obama more than Romney to do it. If the rich really have no sense of self sacrifice (don't worry, you'll still be very rich) then I'm afraid the USA will continue its trajectory downward and the world (led by China) will pass us by.
"What's wrong with the above reasons? " PLENTY

To be balanced EVERYONE has to have a little pain. Obama has said the "middle class" will not see ONE DIME in a tax increase.

We know the "poor"' won't be asked to sacrifice anything

"The reason Obama wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire are:"

That statement is a lie. Obama Does NOT want the tax to expire for anyone making below $250k

he ONLY wants it to expire for those making over $250k.

The so called "RICH", (Obama claims any couple making over $250k is rich, what a bunch of crap that is) are CURRENTLY PAY OVER 85% OF ALL TAXES.

Where is the balance.

Secondly, another lie, "Bush cut taxes and we went into a recession".

If you can't get any of your facts right why should we believe anything you say?
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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First, +3% is counts as soaking now?

I'll admit it's a little envy. I wish I was rich so I could point around to our top quality public schools, high speed rails, universal healthcare, ground-breaking research and proudly claim: look at all the great ways my wealth has built this country.

If you believe in a country that's supposed to be serve as a model for the world. It can't be done w/o a progressive tax code.
Has anyone mentioned a regressive tax code? I'm just not getting this fixation on the rich as if taxing them 4% more is going to get us out of this slump. I'm also concerned about the increase capital gains and dividend taxes. Hopefully these increased taxes won't lead to a permanent market decline in stocks and real estate.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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"What's wrong with the above reasons? " PLENTY

To be balanced EVERYONE has to have a little pain. Obama has said the "middle class" will not see ONE DIME in a tax increase.

We know the "poor"' won't be asked to sacrifice anything

"The reason Obama wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire are:"

That statement is a lie. Obama Does NOT want the tax to expire for anyone making below $250k

he ONLY wants it to expire for those making over $250k.

The so called "RICH", (Obama claims any couple making over $250k is rich, what a bunch of crap that is) are CURRENTLY PAY OVER 85% OF ALL TAXES.

Where is the balance.

Secondly, another lie, "Bush cut taxes and we went into a recession".

If you can't get any of your facts right why should we believe anything you say?
Firstly, the balance is that most government spending helps the poor more than the rich. There are some things that everyone enjoys but a lot of government spending (schools, medicaid and other programs) ulitimately benefits the lower income the most. Cutting into this spending will hurt poor so this is the balance.

$250,000 may not seem high to you but what is the average income in the US? An overwhelming vast majority of Americans do not make this kind of money. An extra few percent off these income levels will not change their living standards in any material way. I'm not sure where $250,000 as a thresehold came from personally and I'm not against making it a bit higher to be honest.

As for Bush tax cuts and the recession. Bush cut taxes during his term and in subsequent years the US went into a recession. A tax cut doesn't prevent a recession is the point. I'm not what you are referring to here.
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