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View Poll Results: What should the U.S. do regards to the conflicts between Israel and Palestine?
We need to support Israel ! 76 44.44%
We need to support Palestine (Arabs) ! 17 9.94%
We should NOT support/care about their own conflicts ! 78 45.61%
Voters: 171. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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"Israel has killed a family of eleven people this evening, and many, many more. If Israel wants to stop its aggression, then we can talk. But before then, how could we consider any deal?" Salama Maroof, a senior Hamas spokesman told the Daily Telegraph.
He wants "Israel wants to stop its aggression," while rockets continue to rain down.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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He wants "Israel wants to stop its aggression," while rockets continue to rain down.
That's the equivalent of kids throwing rocks at a full armed swat team.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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That's the equivalent of kids throwing rocks at a full armed swat team.
Even if they weren't "rocks" that caused large explosions,
would you stand there and let people throw rocks at you?
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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He wants "Israel wants to stop its aggression," while rockets continue to rain down.

you want the pallestinians to lay down and roll over when their houses are demolished and new ones built for americans and russians
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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you want the pallestinians to lay down and roll over when their houses are demolished and new ones built for americans and russians
In Gaza new homes are not being built for Americans and Russians.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:16 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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That's the equivalent of kids throwing rocks at a full armed swat team.
No it's not kid's can't ' kill swat team members " now can they ( these rockets have and will kill innocent Israeli Citizens ).....
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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No it's not kid's can't ' kill swat team members " now can they ( these rockets have and will kill innocent Israeli Citizens ).....
They have no military, what they have is people making homemade rockets that have little impact. On the other side, Israel has the best technology to date, at taxpayers expense. We are supporting a massacre! STOP

Most of us don't even know about this bill.
H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012,
The resolution passed on May 9 by a vote of 411–2 on a “suspension of the rules,” which is intended for non-controversial legislation requiring little debate and a quick vote.


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A number of congressmen spoke on the bill, affirming their undying dedication to the cause of Israel. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas was the only one who spoke out against it, describing it as “one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria.” Paul also observed that “this bill states that it is the policy of the United States to ‘reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.’ However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country.” Paul voted “no” and was joined by only one other representative, John Dingell of Michigan, who represents a large Muslim constituency.

It is interesting to note what exactly the bill pledges the American people to do on behalf of Israel. It obligates the United States to veto resolutions critical of Israel, to provide such military support “as is necessary,” to pay for the building of an anti-missile system, to provide advanced “defense” equipment (including refueling tankers, which are offensive), to give Israel special munitions (i.e., bunker-busters, which are also offensive), to forward deploy more U.S. military equipment to Israel, to offer the Israeli air force more training and facilities in the U.S., to increase security- and advanced-technology-program cooperation, and to extend loan guarantees and expand intelligence-sharing (including highly sensitive satellite imagery). Actually, there’s even more included, and I may have missed the kitchen sink. But the objective is to provide Israel with the resources to attack Iran, if it chooses to do so, while tying the U.S. and Israel so closely together that whatever Benjamin Netanyahu does, the U.S. “will always be there,” as our president has so aptly put it.
House Stealthily Passes Extreme Pro-Israel Legislation</cite></cite>
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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The truth is this.

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Because it has the power to do so, Israel—as does the United States—flouts international law to keep a subject population in misery. The continued presence of Israeli occupation forces defies nearly a hundred U.N. Security Council resolutions calling for them to withdraw. The Israeli blockade of Gaza, established in June 2007, is a brutal form of collective punishment that violates Article 33 of the Fourth 1949 Geneva Convention, which set up rules for the “Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.” The blockade has turned Gaza into a sliver of hell, an Israeli-administered ghetto where thousands have died, including the 1,400 civilians killed in the Israeli incursion of 2008. With 95 percent of factories shut down, Palestinian industry has virtually ceased functioning. The remaining 5 percent operate at 25 to 50 percent capacity. Even the fishing industry is moribund. Israel refuses to let fishermen travel more than three miles from the coastline, and within the fishing zone boats frequently come under Israeli fire. The Israeli border patrols have seized 35 percent of the agricultural land in Gaza for a buffer zone. The collapsing infrastructure and Israeli seizure of aquifers mean that in many refugee camps, such as Khan Yunis, there is no running water. UNRWA (the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) estimates that 80 percent of all Gazans now rely on food aid. And the claim of Israeli self-defense belies the fact that it is Israel that maintains an illegal occupation and violates international law by carrying out collective punishment of Palestinians. It is Israel that chose to escalate the violence when during an incursion into Gaza earlier this month its forces fatally shot a 13-year-old boy. As the world breaks down, this becomes the new paradigm—modern warlords awash in terrifying technologies and weapons murdering whole peoples. We do the same in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
Elites Will Make Gazans of Us All | Pakalert Press
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I think Hamas and the Palestinians need to get a bill from the US for the cost of developing Iron Dome. Without it, Israel would surely have sent in the troops and who knows how many people in Gaza would have been killed?
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