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Old 11-17-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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He's already had a half-dozen Watergates according to FOXNEWS, so there might as well be a Waterloo thrown in there too.
Yep, every natural disaster, as well as the corporate disaster aka the BP oil spill, was supposed to be "Obama's Katrina."
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Obama will lie his way out of it just like he lied his way into it. And there you have it... a president only half of Americans have respect for. .. and that is only because Obama is santa clause.
Not sure how you come to the Conclusion that Obama lied and BTW.... he got over 50% of the vote and his approval rating is above 50% too..... What is the Approval rating of Congress????????????????????????????
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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If the POTUS is proven to be a liar I would hope even the Left would advocate for his removal. The Right has nothing to gain from Biden being President.
Agreed.

If Obama is impeached, it wouldn't be a victory for conservatives. Romney wouldn't be sworn in, Biden would be. What is disheartening is there is probably nothing Obama could do that the left wouldn't defend to the death.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Not diminishing the tragidy of one event, his continued attacks on the constitution are plenty of reason , Why do you suppose there are so many states threttening to succeed form the union ?
The behaviour of this government is no longer under our control ,and people are getting fed up with it.
Dirty politics should be delt with ,not ignored , on both sides .
The fact that obama used government money OUR taxes ,and thew it away to other countries to buy HIS popularity , rather than pay our debt tells me volumes , he is a fraud. He doesn't care about our debt, he doubled it, and likely will double it again.
He is practically identical to Hitler, creating more folk dependent on the government and voting to keep him there living on the take ,rather than being responsible for one's self.
Now we have greater government control ,taking away more of our rights ,and the ignorant are blissfully unaware that soon we will be a third world country, with the very rich and the very poor. Welcome to africa, because that's where it's headed .
There are actual states threatening to succede??? Or is it just individuals in states making partisan noise? Which states?
Hitler??? africa (sic)??? What a hysterically bizzare post!
BTW: Anyone remember Bush saying: "You've done a helluva job Brownie", or "Mission Accomplished"?
And yeah, I'm a Republican. (moderate, aka: reasonable)
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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I`d sure like to see a list of every president who told zero lies during his term.Another list I`ll be waiting for is the list of presidents that were impeached for lying when they weren`t under oath.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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I see the loyal opposition has not taken up my dare.

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Let's play a game, find the video push in the President's remarks about the Benghazi attack.

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.




Please feel free to post remarks by the President where he states that al Qaeda is defeated, no longer a threat, or not a concern for national security.

Please.



.... I dare you.




... I double dare you.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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Let examine Ambassador Rice's Big Lie:

The text of the talking points that she was given:
The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the United States Embassy in Cairo and devolved into a direct assault against United States diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.

This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.

The investigation is ongoing, and the United States government is working with Libyan authorities to bring justice to those responsible for the deaths of United States citizens.
The transcript of Rice interview with David Gregory:


MS. SUSAN RICE (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations): Thank you, good to be here.
(DAVID) GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that– what has happened is condemnable, but this is a– a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
The question wasn't about Benghazi but rather the protest and demonstrations that took place in 20 different nations.

Now I know this is like finding Waldo, but please point to the direct attribution of the attack in Benghazi to the film.

One more transcript that some might prefer to look at, Chris Wallace Fox News:

This is your best shot.

WALLACE: Let's talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The top Libyan official says that the attack on Tuesday was, quote, his words "preplanned". Al Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al Qaeda leader.

What do we know?

RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don't see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don't want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it's important for the American people to know our best current assessment.
Big lies don't contain conditionals and caveats.

Now if you want a big lie by a Secretary of State, I offer you the following:

Full text of Colin Powell's speech | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Originally Posted by ovcatto View Post
Let examine Ambassador Rice's Big Lie:

The text of the talking points that she was given:
The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the United States Embassy in Cairo and devolved into a direct assault against United States diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.

This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.

The investigation is ongoing, and the United States government is working with Libyan authorities to bring justice to those responsible for the deaths of United States citizens.
The transcript of Rice interview with David Gregory:


MS. SUSAN RICE (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations): Thank you, good to be here.
(DAVID) GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that– what has happened is condemnable, but this is a– a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
The question wasn't about Benghazi but rather the protest and demonstrations that took place in 20 different nations.

Now I know this is like finding Waldo, but please point to the direct attribution of the attack in Benghazi to the film.

One more transcript that some might prefer to look at, Chris Wallace Fox News:

This is your best shot.

WALLACE: Let's talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The top Libyan official says that the attack on Tuesday was, quote, his words "preplanned". Al Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al Qaeda leader.

What do we know?

RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don't see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don't want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it's important for the American people to know our best current assessment.
Big lies don't contain conditionals and caveats.

Now if you want a big lie by a Secretary of State, I offer you the following:

Full text of Colin Powell's speech | World news | guardian.co.uk
Is this what you're referring to?

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Old 11-17-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Smile Will Obama be forced to resign over Benghazi?

Lets' consult the right wing analyst.



There you have it. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

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Old 11-17-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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Newsflash: no one gives a bowel movement about Benghazi.
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