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Old 11-17-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hmmm... Did you forget to include something? Honest mistake, or an attempt to mislead? If you are trying to mislead (yourself), then you sir, are an enemy of the truth. You would do well at either newscorp that we mentioned.

...irrelevant to the bottom line. See the difference?
No, there is no difference, unless you do not know what "bottom line" means.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:20 PM
 
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No, there is no difference, unless you do not know what "bottom line" means.
Okie-doke. (Do you know what that means? Clue: Check your wallet.)
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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Okie-doke. (Do you know what that means? Clue: Check your wallet.)
Yes, I know what it means, but based on your comments I don't think that you do. With companies like FOX and MSNBC everything revolves around the bottom line, and if truth is irrelevant to it, then they are the enemies of the truth.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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Yes, I know what it means, but based on your comments I don't think that you do. With companies like FOX and MSNBC everything revolves around the bottom line, and if truth is irrelevant to it, then they are the enemies of the truth.
Get a hold of yourself Finn. Take a deep breath. Have you ever lied? Of course you have. So have I. I guess we're both enemies of the truth. Every casino in town says its slots are "the loosest." Can't all be true. Are they each enemies of the truth? Every company on earth proclaims to have the fastest, the slowest, the biggest, the smallest, etc., etc. All enemies of the truth? Do you believe everything you read or hear? I'm sure you don't. That's all I was saying. There are no 'enemies' of the truth. Only companies trying to survive. The truth lies within you, and the only possible enemy to that truth is you; not FOX news, not General Motors nor your local "friendliest" cab company. Is that clear enough, or are you intent on continuing this mindless bickering? If want to say that modern marketing practice constitutes an 'enemy' to the truth, then that's your prerogative. I prefer to look a little deeper, myself. Cool with you?
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Get a hold of yourself Finn. Take a deep breath. Have you ever lied? Of course you have. So have I. I guess we're both enemies of the truth. Every casino in town says its slots are "the loosest." Can't all be true. Are they each enemies of the truth? Every company on earth proclaims to have the fastest, the slowest, the biggest, the smallest, etc., etc. All enemies of the truth? Do you believe everything you read or hear? I'm sure you don't. That's all I was saying. There are no 'enemies' of the truth. Only companies trying to survive. The truth lies within you, and the only possible enemy to that truth is you; not FOX news, not General Motors nor your local "friendliest" cab company. Is that clear enough, or are you intent on continuing this mindless bickering? If want to say that modern marketing practice constitutes an 'enemy' to the truth, then that's your prerogative. I prefer to look a little deeper, myself. Cool with you?
LOL. You just don't get it, do you? GM, the casinos or cab drivers are not in business of informing people. News agencies are in the business of informing people, and are expected to tell the truth, but if they choose to distort the facts, or invent the stories, or spin them to push an agenda, then they not news agencies but bullsh***ers, and bullsh***ers aim is to persuade people to think in a certain way, and they are not concerned with the truth. You said it yourself, that the truth is irrelevant to their bottom line, and if that does not make them the enemies of the truth, then nothing does.

PS It is not me who is bickering here, it is you.

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Old 11-17-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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LOL. You just don't get it, do you? GM, the casinos or cab drivers are not in business of informing people. News agencies are in the business of informing people, and are expected to tell the truth, but if they choose to distort the facts, or invent the stories, or spin them to push an agenda, then they not news agencies but bullsh***ers, and bullsh***ers aim is to persuade people to think in a certain way, and they are not concerned with the truth. You said it yourself, that the truth is irrelevant to their bottom line, and if that does not make them the enemies of the truth, then nothing does.

PS It is not me who is bickering here, it is you.

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It seems our disagreement hinges on the definition of 'enemy.' I don't see any enemy. I don't expect anyone to tell the truth, not even news agencies, so I don't see any 'enemy to the truth.' If I see a report that I know for a fact is false, I simply see that as a false report, not an enemy to the truth. I know people who believe what they read in the tabloids. That doesn't make The National Enquirer an enemy to the truth, it makes those who swear by it gullible, nothing else. Let's just agree to disagree on this point, okay? Nothing personal, but we both are going back and forth. That means we both are bickering. Correct? Or are you an enemy to the truth? j/k
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:10 PM
 
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Really, scandal? What facts did Fox supply you with to make that assertion? The problem isn't with "media" it's with an ignorant populace that can't differentiate journalism from entertainmnet/opinion media. Foxnews should never be brought up as a credible source of media because it isn't, it's entertainment. Rupert Murdoch has said as much. Thing is, entertainment media keeps us watching, while C-Span puts us to sleep. Facts don't excite people, especially those who live absurdly boring and uninvolved lives. They'd rather be entertained by Fox telling them exactly what they want to hear with no regard for facts....Nothing should've made this as clear as the pre-election coverage. They were ALL dead wrong but people still don't get that they aren't journalist, they're entertainers.
If fox "news" is entertainment then why do you have people on here taking them so much more serious then an entertainment industry? Why do they have "News" in there title ? If they truly are entertainment then perhaps Rupert should change the name from fox news to the "Republican entertainment network" A number of the people I see come on here certainly consider fox news to be an actual news source, heck my friends dad does nothing but WATCH fox news all day and having an honest conversation with him about obama is non-existent. To him everything that smug douche hannity or O'reilly says he considers factual.

If they are not news then they should not be calling themselves a news channel that is misleading and an insult to other news agencies. Not that I have much love for any of them either as I view them with as much disdain as I view E Tv which is just TMZ but as a whole channel.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:52 PM
 
Location: west mich
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If fox "news" is entertainment then why do you have people on here taking them so much more serious then an entertainment industry? Why do they have "News" in there title ? If they truly are entertainment then perhaps Rupert should change the name from fox news to the "Republican entertainment network" A number of the people I see come on here certainly consider fox news to be an actual news source, heck my friends dad does nothing but WATCH fox news all day and having an honest conversation with him about obama is non-existent. To him everything that smug douche hannity or O'reilly says he considers factual.

If they are not news then they should not be calling themselves a news channel that is misleading and an insult to other news agencies. Not that I have much love for any of them either as I view them with as much disdain as I view E Tv which is just TMZ but as a whole channel.
Some history on Fox.
It was originally proposed as G.O.P. TV, then changed its name to appear "fair and balanced". They assumed they could get away with "Fox News" since they dominated the market, and they knew the mainstream corporate media wouldn't call them out. They felt safe, then after 20 years they were finally exposed mainly by MSNBC and the internet.
Then more recently, certain republican-owned ISPs lobbied for internet control of subscriber content. They have failed so far.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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Media will go where ever they can make money from a audience.They alos in mnay cases have to decide where their sources are and support taht view.certqinyl media with the amount of competition in say networks has to find and keep a source of income by havig sources that feed them what they sell.
And they make money from capitalism, the enemy. So who is airing commercials on MSBNC?
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:47 PM
 
Location: west mich
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And they make money from capitalism, the enemy. So who is airing commercials on MSBNC?
Do you notice the contradiction in your statement - that it is nothing but assumptions? Blind faith?
Must you grasp at straws?
When you have nothing but assumption, well - there's a saying......
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