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Old 11-19-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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What makes you think that all of the mediocre, power-hungry low-level politicos at the state level could do any better?

Statehouses are already notoriously corrupt; this would just compound the problem exponentially.
True, the statehouses are corrupt, but they are less corrupt than the electorate. In general state lawmakers are better informed, better educated, and more likely to understand the consequences of their vote. If presidential candidates had to win the statehouse votes their campaigns would be conducted on a much higher level.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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True, the statehouses are corrupt, but they are less corrupt than the electorate. In general state lawmakers are better informed, better educated, and more likely to understand the consequences of their vote. If presidential candidates had to win the statehouse votes their campaigns would be conducted on a much higher level.
Are these the same state lawmakers who believe in illegitimate rape being the will of God and the theory of evolution is a lie planted by Satan? Yeah, much better informed and educated.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Are these the same state lawmakers who believe in illegitimate rape being the will of God and the theory of evolution is a lie planted by Satan? Yeah, much better informed and educated.
Yep.
Exactly the people the OP wants making this decision.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Thinking back on the whole crazy circus of presidential elections, the endless parade of comic election absurdities, the degraded and compromising behavior that it forces on presidential candidates, etc., I am absolutely convinced that the direct election of presidents needs to stop. Immediately. A constitutional amendment can't come soon enough. The United States is far too big a country for this.

Let's have the President of the United States elected by the state legislatures in some fashion. And let there be just ONE term - six, eight, or ten years. No running for re-election when you're supposed to be running the country.

Any objections?
This would lead to a political motive for states and companies that actually needed government assistance to survive. So we'd need to prohibit government bailouts of any kind, public or private. Sorry California.

If this were to take place, I would want a redistribution of any/all federal offices not involved in a direct function of a cabinet level administrative office to the several states according to a prior federal election voter participation. And the function of those federal offices to be rotated among state locations, the purpose to ensure that no region claims a more important function than another.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Thinking back on the whole crazy circus of presidential elections, the endless parade of comic election absurdities, the degraded and compromising behavior that it forces on presidential candidates, etc., I am absolutely convinced that the direct election of presidents needs to stop. Immediately. A constitutional amendment can't come soon enough. The United States is far too big a country for this.

Let's have the President of the United States elected by the state legislatures in some fashion. And let there be just ONE term - six, eight, or ten years. No running for re-election when you're supposed to be running the country.

Any objections?

That was the law of the land for US Senators, until the federal government got a grand idea how to get the States out of the decision making.

Special interest now elect all 3 branches of legislative.government.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Thinking back on the whole crazy circus of presidential elections, the endless parade of comic election absurdities, the degraded and compromising behavior that it forces on presidential candidates, etc., I am absolutely convinced that the direct election of presidents needs to stop. Immediately. A constitutional amendment can't come soon enough. The United States is far too big a country for this.

Let's have the President of the United States elected by the state legislatures in some fashion. And let there be just ONE term - six, eight, or ten years. No running for re-election when you're supposed to be running the country.

Any objections?
Um, no.

How about just making the election process a series of 10 debates, and you can have as many interviews with our free media as you'd like. No commercials.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Um, no.

How about just making the election process a series of 10 debates, and you can have as many interviews with our free media as you'd like. No commercials.
Because those ten "debates" will not be debates at all, but will continue to be dumbed-down slogan-fests appealing to the least informed, least principled, lowest-common-denominator voters who are barely motivated to begin with.

There will never be another legitimate presidential debate under the present system of direct (or nearly direct) elections. Ever.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Because those ten "debates" will not be debates at all, but will continue to be dumbed-down slogan-fests appealing to the least informed, least principled, lowest-common-denominator voters who are barely motivated to begin with.

There will never be another legitimate presidential debate under the present system of direct (or nearly direct) elections. Ever.
Nope, take the moderator out, do it Lincoln Douglas style. Let the opponents question one another.

And then let the media fact check it and have interviews.

We don't need a bunch of commercials.

Taking power out of the hands of the citizens is the most asinine idea I've ever heard of. We are a country of the people, for the people, and most specifically BY the people.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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This is madness. THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANT.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:21 PM
 
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Thinking back on the whole crazy circus of presidential elections, the endless parade of comic election absurdities, the degraded and compromising behavior that it forces on presidential candidates, etc., I am absolutely convinced that the direct election of presidents needs to stop. Immediately. A constitutional amendment can't come soon enough. The United States is far too big a country for this.

Let's have the President of the United States elected by the state legislatures in some fashion. And let there be just ONE term - six, eight, or ten years. No running for re-election when you're supposed to be running the country.

Any objections?
All of sudden when a coalition of women, Asian, Black and Hispanic voters come together to elect the President of their choice, you want to change the election system.

Would you like an hankie?
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