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Old 11-20-2012, 11:27 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It was MANAGEMENT which took 'the whole thing down' not the union.

Both are to blame. Union drivers dictating Twinkie trucks could not carry other Hostess stuff is featherbedding, and added a ton of extra cost.

Now if liquidation does come to pass, neither labor nor mgmt deserve any pity for their lost income.
For every exec with a retention package, 20 more will be shown the door permanently, as will hundreds if not thousands of white collar professional support staff, plus of course, the bakers, delivery folks, DC center folks,...
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:31 AM
 
Location: 77441
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unions won, thats all that matters to a democrat
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:01 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This is what happens when your holding a pair of deuces, and you call their bluff.



Looks like a union win!!!

So let me ask, now that it was a union win, why is Christmas looking so poor for 18,000 union members(oh ya, they weren't all union)
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:06 AM
 
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And you think the bakers are overpaid??? If $10 is overpaid, what is 2 million dollar in bonuses?
You are only worth what your value is to a specific employer. Go peddle your talents to another employer if you believe that you are worth much more.

It is not the responsibility of a business owner to pay you based on your needs.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:07 AM
 
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And yet, even they plan to strike:

Walmart Black Friday Strike: HuffPost Live Discusses Action As A 'Social Movement' (VIDEO)

I thought you needed to be in a union to have a successful strike.

Oh, yeah, back to Hostess - I also really enjoyed their Snowballs! So pretty, and a nice combination of textures and tastes in one: creamy filling, chocolate cake, marshmallow coating and coconut covering. Mmmm!
Fire them all. There will be millions of others willing to have those jobs.

This is what drives wages.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:10 AM
 
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You can tax the hedge fund managers who will probably profit from the bankruptcy and liquidation if it goes that far. Don't worry --- they will get their "return on investment" before anyone else does.
As they should.

Become a venture capitalist, since you think it's a simple process.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:11 AM
 
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The workers already took pay-cuts over the last few years, the last time Hostess had a brush with bankruptcy. Management on the other hand gave itself massive raises last year, like a 300 % increase in salary for the CEO, while they were already preparing for bankruptcy.

"as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."

Hostess Blames Union For Bankruptcy After Tripling CEO's Pay | ThinkProgress
Then that would have been the time to look for a new job.

Think McFly, think!
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:12 AM
 
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Both are to blame. Union drivers dictating Twinkie trucks could not carry other Hostess stuff is featherbedding, and added a ton of extra cost.

Now if liquidation does come to pass, neither labor nor mgmt deserve any pity for their lost income.
For every exec with a retention package, 20 more will be shown the door permanently, as will hundreds if not thousands of white collar professional support staff, plus of course, the bakers, delivery folks, DC center folks,...
it really is sad.

i used to go to a bakery outlet to buy surplus bread for wildlife, and they were always busy-they sold merita and wonder bread, and hostess cupcakes. (oooh, orange )-and they often ran out of bread.

they were told on saturday that they wouldn't be getting any more deliveries, and they would liquidate their remaining stock and close permanently.

that was a successful business that will now close, and jobs that are now lost.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:14 AM
 
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It was MANAGEMENT which took 'the whole thing down' not the union.
It was a poorly run company for a decade.

That being said, employees work at the benefit of their employer.

I've left a few jobs when I saw the writing on the wall. I didn't stick around asking for more.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:17 AM
 
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It was MANAGEMENT which took 'the whole thing down' not the union.

The union should buy the company, to help out their union members...

What? That isn't their job?


Who called who's bluff?
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