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Old 11-21-2012, 09:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The problem is that you can only understand if it is spelled out for you. It is why you're having an impossible time accepting that Medicare (and Social Security and VA) was instituted as a social welfare program, run by the government to ensure a social safety net for the people.
Nope. Legislated as an insurance program. Count how many times the word "insurance" is used in the following:
P.L. 89-97

Now count how many times the word "welfare" is used: ZERO

You "want" them to be a welfare program, but that doesn't make it so. Premium payments are required for eligibility.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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And you're a greater fool if you simply sit, watch and whine about it. Instead, take that money out, buy a boat and find a heaven free of "thieves".
You do know the U.S. charges an exorbitant exit tax, right?
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Question: Explain the part in bold. What is implied by "injuring one another".

It is pretty obvious is it not?

It means to keep people from harming each other in their actions.

An example is the action of me taking your life, placing it in harms way, etc... That is, if I am responsible for the injury of another.

This does not mean the injury you sustain by your own hand, lack of responsibility, or actions you take that places you in such danger.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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It means NOT stealing from one another. STOP stealing money from workers and giving it to those who will not support themselves.


More specifically...

"and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned"

Which is exactly what government is doing.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You do know the U.S. charges an exorbitant exit tax, right?
No, I don't. Never felt that being an American and contributing to the society was a burden, much less assume that thieves are in the act. But, you do, so choose accordingly. You surely are smarter than the Russians fleeing Putin's ideas. No?
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is pretty obvious is it not?

It means to keep people from harming each other in their actions.

An example is the action of me taking your life, placing it in harms way, etc... That is, if I am responsible for the injury of another.

This does not mean the injury you sustain by your own hand, lack of responsibility, or actions you take that places you in such danger.
It is obvious to me, but I doubt you get it. Hence I asked you to explain what it means to you, preferably with a few variety for examples. So, please try again.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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No, I don't. Never felt that being an American and contributing to the society was a burden, much less assume that thieves are in the act. But, you do, so choose accordingly.
Only because a very large percentage of my earned income is taken from me. If I didn't have to pay any federal income tax (51% pay no federal income tax whatsoever), or if EVERYONE had the same percentage of their income taken from them for federal income tax as I do, I wouldn't feel that way.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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It is obvious to me, but I doubt you get it. Hence I asked you to explain what it means to you, preferably with a few variety for examples. So, please try again.

I explained, I used examples.

You have failed to state your position.

Please do so, otherwise you are trolling.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I explained, I used examples.
Direct me to that post.

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You have failed to state your position.
I will, following knowledge of your examples.

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Please do so, otherwise you are trolling.
Calling someone a troll doesn't make one that. But, a troll will usually base the whole premise of a post on the idea.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Only because a very large percentage of my earned income is taken from me. If I didn't have to pay any federal income tax (51% pay no federal income tax whatsoever), or if EVERYONE had the same percentage of their income taken from them for federal income tax as I do, I wouldn't feel that way.
I am not going to help you put you out of your misery. I provided you with an idea that should work like no other and guaranteed to work.
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