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Old 11-20-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Did you do anything to earn a better wage? Do you handle your personal finance like a responsible person or did you spend tomorrows income on junk? Did you even try to start your own business so you too can be successful? Of course you didn't. Then you think your opinion matters lol
I try not to be baited into too much personal disclosure around here, but I have started two businesses (one successful and one failed), own three homes, and am as qualified as anyone to have an opinion.

Nice to see that attacking the messenger while ignoring the message isn't just for liberals anymore.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I try not to be baited into too much personal disclosure around here, but I have started two businesses (one successful and one failed), own three homes, and am as qualified as anyone to have an opinion.

Nice to see that attacking the messenger while ignoring the message isn't just for liberals anymore.
Have you sent me your money yet, Mr. I-favor-redistribution-of-wealth?

If not, why not?

That WAS your exact message, was it not?

Now's your chance to redistribute.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Medicare isn't welfare. It's a government social insurance program to which one must have paid premiums to for at least a minimum length of time (10 years or 40 quarters) in order to be eligible to receive benefits.
It is a part of a general welfare program, run by the government. It was created upon realization that private enterprise is not going to care about anything but profits. An older person who disagrees with me, should instead be given a chance to participate in private health care system, NOW... as in a voucher system.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Have you sent me your money yet, Mr. I-favor-redistribution-of-wealth?

If not, why not?
No. Because you're an ass, that's why not.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It is a part of a general welfare program, run by the government. It was created upon realization that private enterprise is not going to care about anything but profits. An older person who disagrees with me, should instead be given a chance to participate in private health care system, NOW... as in a voucher system.
Medicare is not a "general welfare" program. It provides only to the poor and/or elderly.
"General welfare" refers only to programs that helped all people equally, as was well understood in the era when the Cosntitution was written and ratified.

The so-called "welfare clause" is, in fact, a RESTRICTION on the ways the govt can spend money: Spending on special interests, or on only selected parts of the population, is not authorized to the Fed, and so is forbidden.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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No. Because you're an ass, that's why not.
As I expected, it didn't take you long to change your mind about favoring redistribution, once your own money was suggested for that redistribution.

Funny how many liberals turn out that way.

So tell me: Are you going to change the title of this thread that you started, to match what you just admitted was your REAL feeling about redistributing wealth (particularly your own)?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Sorry OP, there are far too many problems associated with the redistribution of wealth. The primary problem being that the spending does not keep pace in what the government brings in which eventually causes an everlasting increasing vortex of taxing and spending.

I'm fine with changing the distribution of wealth though. Labor should gain a greater share of the profits and more wealth should be put into the hands of workers. However I am totally against the government taking more and then doling out.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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A parasite can eventually kill its host. An ever-increasing welfare-dependent class (growing exponentially because the government financially incentivizes this by providing more benefits the more children one who receives public assistance has) WILL eventually overtake the producers and destroy the economy.
When WP writes about redistribution and the poor, I take it he is resting his conclusions on the same conservative Catholic body of thought regarding social justice as I've heard him champion at other times.

When you describe the same people as parasites, what is the theoretical basis for your thinking on this issue? I have a pretty good idea who WP would cite as the sources of his opinions. Who - what thinkers, writers, philosophers - are the sources for your idea that the poor are parasites?

I dare you to say who you look to for your inspiration in this. Because it sounds awfully familiar, and awfully unpleasant.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Medicare is not a "general welfare" program. It provides only to the poor and/or elderly.
Medicare is a general welfare program. What do you expect if 50+ million people on Medicare were allowed to deal with private insurance companies tomorrow? Chances are, though, cemetery and tombstone business will thrive.

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"General welfare" refers only to programs that helped all people equally, as was well understood in the era when the Cosntitution was written and ratified.
The US Constitution was never intended to be an absolute document. Read the preamble. What does it say?

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The so-called "welfare clasue" is, in fact, a RESTRICTION on the ways the govt can spend money: Spending on special interests, or on only selected parts of the population, is not authorized to the Fed, and so is forbidden.
Direct me to this on the US Constitution so I don't have to rely on your words.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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As I expected, it didn't take you long to change your mind about favoring redistribution, once your own money was suggested for that redistribution.

Funny how many liberals turn out that way.

So tell me: Are you going to change the title of this thread that you started, to match what you just admitted was your REAL feeling about redistributing wealth (particularly your own)?
I do redistribute my own wealth, on a regular basis, to people in need.

But I try to avoid throwing it away. That means you can't have any.

No, I'm not changing the title. I'm in favor of redistributing wealth. I give my own money to help the poor and am happy to pay taxes to help the poor.
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