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Old 11-20-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The Indians helped the Pilgrims, for which they gave thanks. That is true... but it's not the only thing that happened.

After a very bad start, the Pilgrims also helped themselves... by realizing that their form of government was destroying the colony. And they got rid of it, just in time.

We'll have the usual bevy of liberal socialists insisting that since what the Pilgrims did at first, didn't meet 100% of the edictionary definition of "socialism" (it only achieved 90% ), they don't want us to call it that.

But the fact is, what these liberals are pushing today, has never worked... including the first time it was tried on this continent in 1623. Then, as now, it caused only division, discontent, starvation, and death. Not until they got rid of it, did prosperity begin.

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Thanksgiving: Deliverance From Socialism

November 21, 2009
By Daniel McLaughlin

In the fall of the year 1623, William Bradford and the pilgrims who resided in Plymouth Plantation sat down for a thanksgiving feast. It was a celebration of a plentiful harvest. It hadn't been so in the preceding couple of years.

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Old 11-20-2012, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Nice article. It's probably the most simply written argument I've found as to why communism or any other form of collectivism is a bad idea.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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Nice article. It's probably the most simply written argument I've found as to why communism or any other form of collectivism is a bad idea.
It's more than an arument. It's a real-life example.

One of many.

And it's one of the few where they managed to get rid of socialism before socialism destroyed them.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The story of the first thanksgiving is one of pilgrims being thrown off a ship in a place they didn't want, robbing the graves of dead Indians to make it through the first winter, then Squanto showing up, at his village, where his families graves were robbed, and helped them make a peace treaty with the other native tribes of the area, and showed them how to survive in a land where they thought that God would magically provide.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The story of the first thanksgiving is one of pilgrims being thrown off a ship in a place they didn't want, robbing the graves of dead Indians to make it through the first winter, then Squanto showing up, at his village, where his families graves were robbed, and helped them make a peace treaty with the other native tribes of the area, and showed them how to survive in a land where they thought that God would magically provide.
You left out dispossessing seniors, starving schoolchildren, and pushing Granny over a cliff in a wheelchair.

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Old 11-20-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You left out dispossessing seniors, starving schoolchildren, and pushing Granny over a cliff in a wheelchair.

There were starving children, wheelchairs hadn't been invented, and there were no "grandparents" because they couldn't survive the journey.

The story of the first thanksgiving was that the native americans in the area felt sorry for a bunch of Europeans who didn't know how to take care of themselves.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The Indians helped the Pilgrims, for which they gave thanks. That is true... but it's not the only thing that happened.

After a very bad start, the Pilgrims also helped themselves... by realizing that their form of government was destroying the colony. And they got rid of it, just in time.

We'll have the usual bevy of liberal socialists insisting that since what the Pilgrims did at first, didn't meet 100% of the edictionary definition of "socialism" (it only achieved 90% ), they don't want us to call it that.

But the fact is, what these liberals are pushing today, has never worked... including the first time it was tried on this continent in 1623. Then, as now, it caused only division, discontent, starvation, and death. Not until they got rid of it, did prosperity begin.

-------------------------------------------

Thanksgiving: Deliverance From Socialism - post-journal.com | News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - Jamestown | Post-Journal

Thanksgiving: Deliverance From Socialism

November 21, 2009
By Daniel McLaughlin

In the fall of the year 1623, William Bradford and the pilgrims who resided in Plymouth Plantation sat down for a thanksgiving feast. It was a celebration of a plentiful harvest. It hadn't been so in the preceding couple of years.
Do you suppose the liberals will EVER start to notice the pattern?
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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There were starving children, wheelchairs hadn't been invented, and there were no "grandparents" because they couldn't survive the journey.

The story of the first thanksgiving was that the native americans in the area felt sorry for a bunch of Europeans who didn't know how to take care of themselves.
Fast forward a couple hundred years and those Europeans gave the natives Internet and modern medicine, and their population in terms of sheer numbers has recovered.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Fast forward a couple hundred years and those Europeans gave the natives Internet and modern medicine, and their population in terms of sheer numbers has recovered.

No, those were Americans. Americans of Irish decent, mixed with native Americans, Germans, Asians, and ethnic groups from all over the world.

The Pilgrims didn't do much. There were other colonies, even more successful not far away where they were non religious.

I didn't say anything about Europeans coming here, I am talking about the pilgrims of plymouth specifically.
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