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Old 12-30-2012, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Along with 13000 more people on unemployment, right?
You're promoting extortion?
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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You're promoting extortion?
That's a good question. Let me return the favor, Doesn't Obamacare do the same?
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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From the linked article:

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In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.

In his ruling denying Hobby Lobby's request for an injunction, Heaton said that while churches and other religious organizations have been granted constitutional protection from the birth-control provisions, "Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations."
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Let me get this straight.

The Catholic church forbids, not only abortions, but any form of birth control other than the rhythm method. No condoms, no pills, no nuttin.

This judge says that, while religious GROUPS are covered under the 1st amendment's ban on govt mandating or forbidding religious practices, religious INDIVIDUALS are not covered???

I'm trying and trying to find where it says in the 1A, that individuals are not covered. Haven't had any luck yet.

Somebody help me out here?
it's in

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of antireligious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.



you have a right to worship which means pray in what ever manner you want but that where your freedom of religion ends. If you practice any other part of your religion that doesn't involve worship we have the right to send you to Siberia.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Here we see the common leftist misconception about employment being for the benefit of the employees.

If he shuts down his business he is not "punishing" his employees.

He pays his employees for their labor in the business. If he no longer runs the business, he longer requires their labor. That's it. There's no "punishment" involved.

I know leftists just love to be on their moral high horse, but there is no good versus evil here, no oppression, and no punishment. Employees get paid to do a job. If the terms of the employment contract include providing the employee with insurance, then that's fine. But the employees do not "deserve" insurance. Insurance is merely one form of compensation for labor. Nothing more.
Some employers will be dropping health insurance altogether, or reducing hours so they don't have to provide it to most of the employees. Thanks to Obamacare.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Some employers will be dropping health insurance altogether, or reducing hours so they don't have to provide it to most of the employees. Thanks to Obamacare.
That's their excuse, and there are fines for doing so, not to mention the bad publicity. We have not heard from Papa John's CEO recently, have we?
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's their excuse, and there are fines for doing so, not to mention the bad publicity. We have not heard from Papa John's CEO recently, have we?
Only if you haven't had the changes in effect for 12 months. The IRS will look back 12 months before imposing a fine.

Companies that cut back hours to under 30 did it already to comply with the IRS ruling.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Some employers will be dropping health insurance altogether, or reducing hours so they don't have to provide it to most of the employees. Thanks to Obamacare.
Now, THIS is something we haven't heard.

Most companies are backpeddling all over the place to deny the above allegation.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Now, THIS is something we haven't heard.

Most companies are backpeddling all over the place to deny the above allegation.
It's been in the news, just not major headline news.
And we had that month of BLS reports that showed 500,000 NEW part time jobs created.

So you have more employed but each one is working less hours. Business just reacted to the IRS ruling.
Even Walmart came out with changes based on the IRS ruling.

The government defining full time as 30 hours is a precedent.
Companies did what they had to in order to maintain their part time staffing...lower hours and hire on more.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It's been in the news, just not major headline news.
And we had that month of BLS reports that showed 500,000 NEW part time jobs created.

So you have more employed but each one is working less hours. Business just reacted to the IRS ruling.
Even Walmart came out with changes based on the IRS ruling.

The government defining full time as 30 hours is a precedent.
Companies did what they had to in order to maintain their part time staffing...lower hours and hire on more.
LOL, "even" Walmart. Especially Walmart is more like it. Walmart doesn't have that many employees working 30 hr/wk now. The difference will hardly be noticeable. There are ways around every law. There is no way to write a law to fix that.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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LOL, "even" Walmart. Especially Walmart is more like it. Walmart doesn't have that many employees working 30 hr/wk now. The difference will hardly be noticeable. There are ways around every law. There is no way to write a law to fix that.
Actually Walmart upped the hours required to get insurance.
They also dropped some of their cheaper plans because they didn't meet the Fed requirements.

If anything, less Walmart workers will be insured now by Walmart and will turn to Uncle Sam for coverage under Obamacare or the expanded medicaid programs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2220152.html
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