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Old 11-24-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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Sharp gal.

Folks can hide their heads in the sand as much as they like.

I have seen "Redevelopment" first hand......in Arizona & Michigan.

Scary.
Please provide some examples of /describe the "redevelopment" in MI and AZ that you found scary. What were the issues that troubled you?
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Everybody here read this list of words that Agenda 21 people use at their local meetings and see how many of them you have seen used at any time. It is scary that so many people don't know where so many of these terms came from, in the beginning, and just believe they are simple things we all use.

Agenda 21 Word List – Glenn Beck
Thats so laughable I don't even know where to begin.... The Conservatives in New England would laugh at that list , most of that stuff they support same with Conservatives elsewhere in the Northeast. Mixed Use developments have been around since the founding of this country , TOD/Smart Growth has been around since the 1830s... Theres nothing wrong with traffic calming , people shouldn't be speeding down residential or commercial streets , speeding should be left for the highways or rural roads... We can't have Public/Private partnerships? How do you think other countries are building and expanding during these economic times , same with out west....its not evil its pro-business.... New Urbanism isn't anything to fear...nor Historical preservation so how would you like it if I demolished the state house in Kansas to build my strip mall....I guess Historical buildings don't deserve protecting how loony... As Sandy has taught us we shouldn't have messed with our coastal wetlands , overbuilding has destoried Mother Nature's defense system.... They don't build Stack and Pack housing that was thrown out in the 60s because it didn't work... Its funny they don't target Airports , Roads , Highways and anything that enslaves you to Big Oil , Big Auto and corporate greed.... Its the things that don't enslave you that there afraid...its good thing we got rid of the few loons in power that believed this here in the Northeast...

I think Roy , KUchief and anyone who believes this should be Hospitalized , a Mental exam is needed.. They make the schizophrenic person I know look sane....
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:18 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Thats so laughable I don't even know where to begin.... The Conservatives in New England would laugh at that list , most of that stuff they support same with Conservatives elsewhere in the Northeast. Mixed Use developments have been around since the founding of this country , TOD/Smart Growth has been around since the 1830s... Theres nothing wrong with traffic calming , people shouldn't be speeding down residential or commercial streets , speeding should be left for the highways or rural roads... We can't have Public/Private partnerships? How do you think other countries are building and expanding during these economic times , same with out west....its not evil its pro-business.... New Urbanism isn't anything to fear...nor Historical preservation so how would you like it if I demolished the state house in Kansas to build my strip mall....I guess Historical buildings don't deserve protecting how loony... As Sandy has taught us we shouldn't have messed with our coastal wetlands , overbuilding has destoried Mother Nature's defense system.... They don't build Stack and Pack housing that was thrown out in the 60s because it didn't work... Its funny they don't target Airports , Roads , Highways and anything that enslaves you to Big Oil , Big Auto and corporate greed.... Its the things that don't enslave you that there afraid...its good thing we got rid of the few loons in power that believed this here in the Northeast...

I think Roy , KUchief and anyone who believes this should be Hospitalized , a Mental exam is needed.. They make the schizophrenic person I know look sane....
To thine own self be true.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Take a look at this link and tell me what wild speculation is, in your mind. This is a list of the members of ICLEI. I know you don't know a whole lot about what ICLEI is but lets start your learning about it. Here is a list of the member governments in ICLEI and I will ask you that you take a peak at the two nations with far more members than any others. The list for the USA is scary as hell, but then people who don't know about the thing because of forced ignorance about it wouldn't be afraid of it.

ICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability : Global Members
This link takes you to the country page. If you scroll down to United States, you can click on "members"
and check in your own state.

Sure, it sounds good, but it will lead to complete control over the individual -- you may not see the full effects in your lifetime, depending on your age, but 30-40 years down the road the effects will be felt by you if you're still around, and by your kids most certainly. Think about the kind of world they will have. Is that what you want for your children and grandchildren? Their personal freedoms will be restricted to a degree you cannot even imagine. Don't dismiss it. Think what far reaching effects this will bring and none of them "for our own good" as the programs are being sold to us today.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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Oh and 5.4 million acres is for water management.... that isn't important. Water management is communist, socialist, facists crap.
If you read my link I put out it said "non submerged lands". You were here screaming and howling about links and I provide you this one and others and just like I said you didn't even read it. Thanks for proving my point.

Submerged acres come to about 3.6 million.

You think it's ok for the fed and state to control all the water too? What a shock.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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Here is a list of areas in the USA that are disassociating themselves with the whole ICELEI agenda 21 and their unconstitutional antics...

Agenda 21 - ICLEI Update: 138 ICLEI Members Quit ICLEI in 18 Months! We Got 'em On the Run! | Virginia Right!
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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Here is a list of areas in the USA that are disassociating themselves with the whole ICELEI agenda 21 and their unconstitutional antics...

Agenda 21 - ICLEI Update: 138 ICLEI Members Quit ICLEI in 18 Months! We Got 'em On the Run! | Virginia Right!
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The funny thing is the Anti-Agenda 21ers have had very little effect in the Northeastern states....they get shut down everytime.... Maybe because most of us live in Dense communities already and see nothing wrong with it even in Conservative New Hampshire they don't care about smart growth or wetlands there very conservative about there land usage.... The Business community is very pro all the things the Anti-Agenda 21ers hate.... Mixed used areas are very popular to live in or the towns that have them.... In the Northeast theres really no land left so what should we do , we either fill in the Downtown areas with mixed use developments or building upwards in our larger cities....
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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Take a look at this link and tell me what wild speculation is, in your mind. This is a list of the members of ICLEI. I know you don't know a whole lot about what ICLEI is but lets start your learning about it. Here is a list of the member governments in ICLEI and I will ask you that you take a peak at the two nations with far more members than any others. The list for the USA is scary as hell, but then people who don't know about the thing because of forced ignorance about it wouldn't be afraid of it.

ICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability : Global Members
Good Grief, I thought you guys were for LOCAL government control. Why is it scary for a local government to decide to move toward sustainability, especially if the citizens of that locality support it?

You want to take the feds out of things, but you don't want local government to govern.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:13 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Good Grief, I thought you guys were for LOCAL government control. Why is it scary for a local government to decide to move toward sustainability, especially if the citizens of that locality support it?

You want to take the feds out of things, but you don't want local government to govern.
It appears that they are trying to take down all forms of govt and form their own....but it isn't working....keeps backfiring...
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