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Old 11-26-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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First of all, Nazi Party and Hitler was ANTI-COMMUNIST. During the Great Depression, People started to lean towards either Communist Party in Germany or Far-Right Nazi Party. Rich people and Industrialists are always against workers, Unions, communists so they supported Nazi party.
Good point. It's amazing how people go off spewing about Nazi this or Germany that and have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

I guess this is what happens when you get your history from a Spielberg movie.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Historians have uncovered evidence leading to the estimation that the Nazis' wartime confiscation of wealth from Europe's Jews financed about 30 percent of the expenditure of the German armed forces during WWII.
The official study of the German Finance Ministry under the Nazis from 1933 to 1945 was conducted by historian Hans-Peter Ullmann.
Last month a similar study of the German Foreign Ministry under the Nazis established that its diplomats and bureaucrats played a key role in the Holocaust.
Ullmann, a Cologne history professor, said the German Finance Ministry under the Nazis actively worked to "destroy Jews financially" and to loot wealth in the nations the Germans occupied.
Even Jews who managed to escape from Germany before the Holocaust had to leave part of their wealth behind in the form of an "exit tax." Tax laws discriminated against Jews from 1934 onwards.
The ministry raised money for the war effort through taxes, borrowing and "outright theft," Ullmann said.
The research began last year with a request to report back after three or four years.



'Jewish assets seized by Nazis



Europe's Jews were robbed of so much wealth by the Nazis that they financed 30 per cent of the German war effort, say researchers.

Nazi officials plundered 120billion reichsmarks – more than £12billion – by looting and through confiscation laws.

The figure has come to light in a study by the German finance ministry to uncover its crimes while the Nazis were in power, from 1933 until 1945.

Hans-Peter Ullmann, a Cologne University history professor who is heading the three-year investigation, said that under the Nazis the tax authorities ‘actively worked to destroy Jews financially’.

Tax laws discriminated against Jews from 1934, while some who managed to leave Germany before the Holocaust had much of their wealth confiscated through an ‘exit tax’.

Nazi officials seized and sold the property of Jews who left or were sent to extermination camps, both in Germany and in the nations conquered during the Second World War.


Nazis paid for 30% of war with stolen Jewish cash
The wealth confiscated by Jews was merely transfered to non-Jewish Industrialists. Hitler attacked Jews because he viewed them as not being German and preying on the German people, the fact that most were middle class and above was an added benefit. Hitler wasn't tied too much to economic ideology one way or the other.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Funny - the Nazis waged war against the establishment. They tormented the "rich". Later once they gained power..They ran through all of Europe plundering things like very expensive art...that they hoped to keep in their personal collections JUST LIKE RICH PEOPLE...You will see the same thing happen with the so called left in America...Once they "redistribute" the wealth- the new elite will start hording the wealth...and the high end lefties will all have a million dollar painting on the wall..

Human nature dictates that those who hate the rich and powerful- want to BE the rich and powerful...The American left is actually the new right...Nazis started off on the left also- go figure.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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No, actually the rich became much more rich under nazi control. The industries stayed in private hands and had a huge customer in the military disctatorship
If you think any of the people who agree with the basic premise are interested in inconvenient facts, you'll be very disappointed.

They are making the asinine point that Germany had a "war" on the rich and the US government is having a "war" on the rich, so we will end up like Germany just before Hitler rose to power.

If you are a reasonable person you may ask yourself, forgetting about German history, what war is being wagged on the rich in the US, oh yes the Democratic party and President Obama wanting tax rates on incomes above $250,000 to go up 4% is to these idiots war on the rich.

They are listening to the same voices that just told them that GOD wanted Mitt Rmoney to win the presidency. This is not hyperbole. There were many voices out there saying that GOD wanted Mitt Rmoney to win. These are the same voices pushing this ridiculous Germany just before Nazis to the US comparison.

They are listening to the same voices who have been telling them that run away inflation would destroy our economy for the last 4 years.

It is a big con game. These people are spending money to listen to these insane conspiracy theories.

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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There are bloody revolutions and there are bloodless coos...We are in the midst of a shift of wealth. It is always about money and power...If you think that folks like Hilary and Obama don't lust for luxury and power then you are a fool.

These people may say they are here to help the average American..but in the end they will only help themselves. With the "redistribution" of wealth will happen..but not as liberals envision. The money will shift from one elite group to another elite group. When it comes to money in America there is no honor.

Money is god in America. Ultimate material power rests in being god like ...they have a golden idol that promises more for all...but this is impossible. Greed is so powerful that it will trump social justice. It reminds me of a young activist feminist lawyer..who fights the good fight for her SISTERS...Time goes by and the lawyer becomes more and more successful...then they become a judge...the income increases...luxury increases..The once justified feminist lawyer becomes a fat greedy man...an abuser who is loyal to no one...That is human nature.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Most people know that Hitler was bad and killed a lot of Jews.

Many don't know the circumstances by which Hitler came to power and that power was willingly given to him.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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They eventually took it by force. Prison camps arose from it.

You know what that led to...
Genocide.

Yes, Germany went after the wealth in the nation, to use for themselves and remove power from very rich people in the communities.
And Henry Ford was their Warren Buffett.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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They eventually took it by force. Prison camps arose from it.

You know what that led to...
Genocide.


Yes, Germany went after the wealth in the nation, to use for themselves and remove power from very rich people in the communities.

Actually, I think it was the interstates They built the first interstates. That led to faster cars, and that led to genocide and Hitler. That and the trains. Trains are very bad too


Seriously? What odd un-reality statements. I'm pretty sure a government over burdened by its debits in WW1 and a fed up people, and a excellent campaign/immitadiation/etc by the Nazi party is what happened.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: North America
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Actually, I think it was the interstates They built the first interstates. That led to faster cars, and that led to genocide and Hitler. That and the trains. Trains are very bad too


Seriously? What odd un-reality statements. I'm pretty sure a government over burdened by its debits in WW1 and a fed up people, and a excellent campaign/immitadiation/etc by the Nazi party is what happened.

Oh, wait, interstates...yeah, that was it.....
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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What's amazing is that people continue bumping a completely moronic thread.

The one guy who put up the poster of Obama asking "which of the four is he?" should have ended the thread.

You right wing nuts should just change your thread titles to this, because it is the most accurate:

"I'm a complete idiot and I don't have any idea about what the terms I use mean, nor do I really have any sense of what radical public policy is if I call Obama a radical, but I do know one thing: I hate Obama in such a visceral rabid way that I can barely display one iota of rational thought!!"
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