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View Poll Results: How long will it take Governor Jerry Brown to fix Arnie's mess?
1-2 years 3 13.64%
3-4 years 9 40.91%
4-5 years 0 0%
5+ years 10 45.45%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-25-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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After the disastrous 8 years of a Republican governor in California, it looks like things are slightly improving under Governor Jerry Brown. He inherited a HUGE mess left by the GOP (just like Obama is cleaning up the Bush droppings).

California now leads the nation in job growth, and unemployment is declining. It's great news, considering how it was doing just fine before Arnold completely destroyed it.

[URL="http://www.orovillemr.com/news/ci_22015782/california-unemployment-rate-dips-10-1-percent"]California unemployment rate dips to 10.1 percent - Oroville Mercury Register[/URL]
This is perhaps the most laugable OP I have ever heard - the GOP responsiblie for the mess here in CA. Yah, right.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Who 'really' runs California? (Hint - it starts with a "U"..... and was started by Gov Brown in the 1980's)

"Governor Brown, in his first stint in office, extended collective bargaining rights to nearly all public employees in the state. He signed the Public Educational Employer-Employee Relations Act in 1976 (K–12 schoolteachers), the Dillas Act in 1978 (state workers), and capped it off in 1979 with the Higher Educational Employer-Employee Relations Act (university employees). The result was a huge wave of unionization among government employees in the 1980s."
Civic Report 72 | THE NAYS HAVE IT: When Public Sector Unions Win in California


"...In 2005, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his supposed “Year of Reform,” proposed a measure aimed at teacher tenure in K–12 education that would have extended the apprentice period for teachers from two years to five. Another measure would have set limits on state spending and relaxed the education spending requirements imposed by Proposition 98. The CTA alone spent $57 million, mortgaging its Sacramento headquarters, to fight these and other measures.

"Given their record, it is understandable that many consider public-employee unions in California quite simply the most effective interest group in state politics. Our analysis finds that the unions often outspent their opponents handily on many issues. In 2005, for example, the unions and their allies spent $54 million to defeat Proposition 75 (another version of paycheck protection). The measure’s supporters mustered a measly $5.8 million. Governor Schwarzenegger’s state-spending cap elicited zero support while its opponents, led by the unions, shelled out $28 million. Including the paycheck-protection measure of that year, in 2005 all public-sector unions combined spent a whopping $90 million in opposition to initiatives they deemed against their interests, according to the National Institute on Money in State Politics. Supporters of these measures didn’t even come close.
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"In sum, the Democratic Party handily controls all of California’s electoral institutions. And the biggest contributors to that party in terms of direct donations, independent expenditures, and campaign foot-soldiers are public employee unions. The unions’ influence in the legislature combined with their record of success in the Golden State’s direct democracy process makes for a powerful one-two punch. The results have pushed the state’s finances to the edge of a cliff."
When Public Sector Unions Win in California | Union Watch
Don't confuse the OP with FACTS.

The liberal robots can't handle them.

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Old 11-25-2012, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by evan83 View Post
After the disastrous 8 years of a Republican governor in California, it looks like things are slightly improving under Governor Jerry Brown. He inherited a HUGE mess left by the GOP (just like Obama is cleaning up the Bush droppings).

California now leads the nation in job growth, and unemployment is declining. It's great news, considering how it was doing just fine before Arnold completely destroyed it.

California unemployment rate dips to 10.1 percent - Oroville Mercury Register
I've got 2 words for those who think that Arnold was responsible for California's problems: Gray Davis.

'nuff said.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I don't oppose pension reform but I'm not an elected official. One thing state government needs to do is have all new hires pay into a 401k plan instead of a pension like most of the private sector. What I wouldn't want to see is employees who've already been paying into the plan to be screwed.
Something on which we can agree.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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This thread is a joke right? We all know CA and it's problems are due to massive overspending by the Democrats and the unwillingness to cut that spending. OMG!! The serious delusional thought processes of the left are just plain laughable!!
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Nope.
Did you happen to flunk civics when in high school?
I think that most liberals did - or else civics wasn't offered at their schools.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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By all means thank Jerry Brown. After all, he's the one who sold the state to the labor unions back in the 70s. And look who his biggest supporters are now. It will be interesting to see what happens from here on, since the Democrats now have the super majority in both houses of the legislature they wanted and a governor who will likely do their bidding. You seem to conveniently forget which party has had the majority most of the past 40 years.
Many Californians may have to move to Arvin: potatoes and carrots.

//www.city-data.com/city/Arvin-California.html
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Everything I mentioned is promoted on conservative media. Deregulation, no collective bargaining.
The "magic of the marketplace" if only government "gets out of the way" (referring to regulation).
An end to the EPA, FDA, all consumer protection, and others. Whatever federal agencies exist, corporations and the "free market" can do it better. What a crock!
So what else is there, laws? These are regulation.
Perhaps this is an example of the "regulation" republicans can embrace.
Why Republicans Hate Warren’s CFPB But Love Another Bank Regulator | Institute for Local Self-Reliance
ahh , as usual you are so wrong

its not deregulation...it bring regulations to within reason...liberals tend to over regulate

its not NO collective barganing...its NO government worker collective barganing, and it should be within reason...ie government worker cant strike..cant bargan CONGRESS for pay, etc....as far as priavte sector unions...if they are , they are, couldnt care less, other thatn the fact that unions have become the robber barrons, they originally fought against

its not END the federal agencies..but bring them within reason, why so much overlap...why does the GOVERNMENT get in the way of progress
why does the EPA, make such silly rules that no progress, or infrastructure is allowed
why does the FDA take 30 years to approve aprocedure that europe has been doing for 30 years...why do they overregulate meds so it makes they even more pricey
why does the dept of education need 7000 goverment employees


get the point.....probably not

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Old 11-25-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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UM, when was the last time the CA Legislature was controlled by Republicans????
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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UM, when was the last time the CA Legislature was controlled by Republicans????
A loooooong time. Too long.

We found out what happens when it's controlled by Democrats for many years.
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