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Old 12-03-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Everyone should pay the same. Are we all not members of society?

She earns an income? She should pay. Just like everyone else.

That's not my gig. I'm asking for everyone's income to be taxed equally. LIBERALS want to engage in class warfare.
Again your opinion and wishful thinking isn't the law, deal with it. We have a progressive tax system that protect those at the bottom. Why do you hate those at the bottom???? What would you do with the dead weight, drop them in a bottomless pit?
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Again your opinion and wishful thinking isn't the law, deal with it. We have a progressive tax system that protect those at the bottom. Why do you hate those at the bottom???? What would you do with the dead weight, drop them in a bottomless pit?
Dead weight should help to pull their weight, just as we all do. Expecting people to have a stake in the country (e.g. services they and their neighbors receive) is a good thing.

I say that if they don't pay ANY taxes, then they don't have a stake in the outcome and should not vote.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Dead weight should help to pull their weight, just as we all do. Expecting people to have a stake in the country (e.g. services they and their neighbors receive) is a good thing.

I say that if they don't pay ANY taxes, then they don't have a stake in the outcome and should not vote.
FYI, that sure sounds like a poll tax, that's unconstitutional. Why would you advocate something you know is unconstitutional?? Is that treason?

Everyone pays taxes. Everyone has a stake in this country.

This beat up the poor and the working poor needs to stop.

A stay at home housewife doesn't earn a dime, are you discounting her contributions?
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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FYI, that sure sounds like a poll tax, that's unconstitutional. Why would you advocate something you know is unconstitutional?? Is that treason?

Everyone pays taxes. Everyone has a stake in this country.

This beat up the poor and the working poor needs to stop.

A stay at home housewife doesn't earn a dime, are you discounting her contributions?
Hmmm. From the sounds of things ~ she wouldn't be allowed to vote in the Republican utopia!
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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FYI, that sure sounds like a poll tax, that's unconstitutional. Why would you advocate something you know is unconstitutional?? Is that treason?

Everyone pays taxes. Everyone has a stake in this country.

This beat up the poor and the working poor needs to stop.

A stay at home housewife doesn't earn a dime, are you discounting her contributions?
47% of Americans who, and pay attention now, file Income Tax Return, pay $0.00 or less in Federal Income Tax.

"Is that Treason?", you so foolishly ask. No, Treason is "Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy".

The line about housewives is a childish Strawman?

So far, Bucko, you're batting a big fat 0
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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47% of Americans who, and pay attention now, file Income Tax Return, pay $0.00 or less in Federal Income Tax.

"Is that Treason?", you so foolishly ask. No, Treason is "Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy".

The line about housewives is a childish Strawman?

So far, Bucko, you're batting a big fat 0
So ~ is the criteria filing an income tax return or actually paying taxes? Because the SAHW is not paying any taxes. And Southward Bound specfically said - pay taxes.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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47% of Americans who, and pay attention now, file Income Tax Return, pay $0.00 or less in Federal Income Tax.

"Is that Treason?", you so foolishly ask. No, Treason is "Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy".

The line about housewives is a childish Strawman?

So far, Bucko, you're batting a big fat 0
Actually, asking about the housewife is legit, why would she be considered a fine upstanding American, but a single stay at home mom is a leach? Becuz of the actions of a baby daddy the second woman is a deadbeat?
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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Dead weight should help to pull their weight, just as we all do. Expecting people to have a stake in the country (e.g. services they and their neighbors receive) is a good thing.

I say that if they don't pay ANY taxes, then they don't have a stake in the outcome and should not vote.

Now this is interesting. If they purchase taxable goods, they are paying sales taxes. If they pay rent or own homes they are paying property taxes. They may also be paying state income taxes (which often apply to poverty-level incomes).

So presumably you would say that these people should be allowed to vote in state and local elections but not in federal elections. Good luck implementing that.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The newspeak term "skin in the game" are merely Frank Luntz code words for poor people should be made to pay taxes so rich people can get lower taxes.

The problem is math. Poor people have little disposable income and generally have no savings. A few percent of the top 1%'s income is 50% of the bottom 20%'s income. There simply isn't enough money at the bottom to tax. It is part of right-wing propaganda because it provides a distraction from the real problem, over the last 30 years we have lowered taxes on the rich, with nothing good to show for it. The government is poorer, there is much higher inequality, lower job and lower growth.

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Old 12-04-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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Now this is interesting. If they purchase taxable goods, they are paying sales taxes. If they pay rent or own homes they are paying property taxes. They may also be paying state income taxes (which often apply to poverty-level incomes).

So presumably you would say that these people should be allowed to vote in state and local elections but not in federal elections. Good luck implementing that.
Why don't you lefties ever use that argument when speaking about the rich?

Do they not also pay state tax (which is a much, much higher total dollar amount than the average person)?

Do they not also pay sales tax?

Do they not pay city wage tax? Even professional athletes are charged local and state income tax when they play in a city which has these taxes.

Do they not pay property taxes, which were relatively low 30 years ago?

All this while still being responsible for SS tax, Medicare, medicaid, unemployment and FICA taxes.

Is 50%+ enough in many cases?
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