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Old 11-28-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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But not EVERYONE can.

And it's not just because some people lack the skill, smarts, ambition..... but because the economy NEEDS LOW SKILLED, LOW WAGE WORKERS, and there will always be a class of low wage jobs that need to be filled.


Not everyone can be a millionaire, or even middle class.
If so, why do liberals have a problem with that?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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The market decides wages, not the difficulty of ones physical labor.
And special interest groups engage in rentseeking to restrict supply and increase their wages.

Drive up the cost of becoming a lawyer/doctor and you restrict the supply of lawyers/doctors and their wages magically rise. Just two of many examples.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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All I know is I don't have money which means I can't afford education or training to acquire skills.
Total BS. Just take a look at all the entrepreneurs who have neither bought and paid for education nor training.
100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree | YoungEntrepreneur.com
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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Again, why do you fail to see and understand that the entire government, court and military apparatus works hardest and for the pleasure and continued protection for those at the very top before anyone else?
Oh... Probably because the top PAYS the most into the system and get the LEAST back out of it.

No one but the top is protected by our government, courts, and military? Good grief! That's an incredibly ignorant statement. Just one example out of literally millions... have you ever observed what goes on in family court?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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What you just described is the insurance industry. The insurance company can afford to replace your home after a fire because millions of other premium paying customers had no fire.

Are you advocating abolishing the concept of insurance, because that is what it sounds like?

Only the concept of MANDATORY Social Security. If someone has good reason to not expect to live to retirement age (e.g. family history), why should they be required to throw their money into an insurance pool with no hope of collecting? If you owned a mothballed antique car, would you carry liability insurance on it?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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Oh... Probably because the top PAYS the most into the system and get the LEAST back out of it.

No one but the top is protected by our government, courts, and military? Good grief! That's an incredibly ignorant statement. Just one example out of literally millions... have you ever observed what goes on in family court?


Bull. Crap. Pure and simple.


Again: EVERYTHING The government does is for the continuation, encouragement and development of BUSINESS and CAPITALISM. From Universal education, to the courts, to how much time is spent every session dealing with trade issues, business subsidies, transportation networks that keep trade flowing across the country.


Nobody attacks us, yet we have the largest military in the world - a military that is flung across the globe to "secure trade lines" and "secure resources." We've toppled governments who nationalize private American business interests within their own borders. We went to war with Iraq in the 90s to protect OIL interests!


If the American capitalist infrastructure were to crumble around us, the rich would feel it the worst out of everyone. They ALWAYS have the most to lose.


And newsflash, "Informedconsent": There's a lot more to the Court system than FAMILY COURT, or even CRIMINAL COURT. A tremendous amount of court resources concerns private business matters. I should kinda know, since that's what I do for a living.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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If so, why do liberals have a problem with that?

Why? Because conditions don't have to be so bad for those on the bottom as they are.


Heaven forbid people who are essential parts of our economy... who literally CREATE and BUILD everything around us at the bidding of financiers and capitalists... actually have healthcare. Or a vacation. Or not have to starve because they have a family.


Because in the whacked out world and distorted moral paradigm that CONSERVATIVES live in, THEFT from the wealth of the rich in the form of "taxes" is a greater wrong and moral dilemma worth fighting for.... because it's somehow worse than the misery and suffering occasioned by the economic system on workers around the world!




Yeah, sure, it's great that women in Bangladesh have a job they wouldn't normally have thanks to a clothing manufacturer.... but it is NOT some evil liberal disaster if a corporation is asked to pay their workers a bit more, or get taxed a bit more to provide some damn healthcare while these women work 12 hours a day to line the pockets of the owners!
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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EVERYTHING The government does is for the continuation, encouragement and development of BUSINESS and CAPITALISM.
Total BS. Successful capitalists are punished and penalized for their success. Slackers are rewarded with ALL KINDS of freebie services and benefits showered down on them from nanny government.

The Chairman of the Economics Department at Harvard University concurs:
//www.city-data.com/forum/27120692-post222.html

It is NOT in capitalism's best interest to exponentially grow the dependent class while penalizing and therefore causing the shrinking of the productive class, which is EXACTLY what the government is doing. Crushing the system under the increasingly unsustainable demands for the artificial financial support of ever-increasing numbers of the welfare-dependent will KILL capitalism.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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Total BS. Just take a look at all the entrepreneurs who have neither bought and paid for education nor training.
100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree | YoungEntrepreneur.com

Need. To. Do. Some. Research. A lot of those people invented something but there are other interesting stories in that lot. But I think founding a colossal bank is way beyond a burger flipper, if only for lack of capital.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Total BS. Successful capitalists are punished and penalized for their success. Slackers are rewarded with ALL KINDS of freebie services and benefits showered down on them from nanny government.

The Chairman of the Economics Department at Harvard University concurs:
//www.city-data.com/forum/27120692-post222.html

It is NOT in capitalism's best interest to exponentially grow the dependent class while penalizing and therefore causing the shrinking of the productive class, which is EXACTLY what the government is doing. Crushing the system under the increasingly unsustainable demands for the artificial financial support of ever-increasing numbers of the welfare-dependent will KILL capitalism.

Dunno who's getting all the freebies, I'm not seeing it.
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