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No one is debating the value of these workers. Why are you getting all riled up over that ?
I'm not getting 'riled up'. I'm a bit indignant because many of the posts here are putting others down. Many of us provide services that can be done by others/don't directly generate anything. I don't delude myself into thinking that I'm that special little snowflake.
I already posted that it's largely children, born by those already in the dependent class. An exponential increase in the dependent class... Is that sustainable?
Again, youre calling anyone who receives any sort of benefit a "dependent" person. However, the parents often provide value to their employers' bottom lines.
That the parents cannot make enough at their jobs is really not their fault. They don't control wages, and this isn't a simple matter of "go elsewhere and make more money" for the vast majority of people.
That the costs of low wage employees are being socialized to all of us goes to show WHY an increase in taxes for business is necessary to cure the imbalance.
Bull. Did that waitress go to college for years to learn her skill? Does that landscaper work until midnight, then get up at 4 again, 7 days a week? Does the waitress continue her education constantly, to become a better waitress?
Arguably, the waitress and landscaper doing a job that anyone can do.
Value is whatever someone is willing to pay for something.
And here we have the true gist of the Republican party. They despise all those they consider poor or beneath them.
Ok, how much is a "living wage" in dollar numbers ?
How much would that cost Walmart ?
Walmart has 2.2 million employees to help you along with the math.
*sigh* Thanks for not answering my question. If WalMart can't afford to pay a living wage (which varies in different parts of the country, so I'm not going to attempt to do the math here), why is it in business? I repeat, what good does it to for the Waltons to have no more consumers? You still didn't answer that question. I know it's easier to simply stop the thought process at the point where the Waltons buy another yacht and take it no further, but I'm waiting for someone to take this to the next step.
Ok, how much is a "living wage" in dollar numbers ?
How much would that cost Walmart ?
Walmart has 2.2 million employees to help you along with the math.
I'm talking about the sales associates. There are 1.4 million of them according to the linked article. This article already figured out the logistics of raising their wages. It calculates that Walmart could pay the associates 20 % more, which would be a $5000 raise for the average sales associate --- and that would cost Walmart only $ 7 billion, which they can well afford. Walmart made $25 billion in profit last year.
to quote:
"The average Walmart associate Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. That's $20,744 per year. They also produce annual earnings that, in a one-earner household, are below the $22,000 poverty line."
"A $5,000 raise would be a 20% raise for the average Walmart associate. It would take the associate's household income above the poverty line. If the household is a two-Walmart-associate household, which many probably are, the raise would amount to $10,000 per year. This would take the household above the "low-income" line."
See union pensions. Union pension programs/funds are the largest institutional investors in the U.S., thereby owning the lion's share of publicly traded corporations and getting the lion's share of corporate profits and asset value appreciation.
Uh huh ... so then they'll be in their own guarded compounds, next door to the Waltons? Still don't see how everyone thinks that people who can't get a decent wage without government assistance are supposed to shop at WalMart and support the unions, or whoever. Blame who you like ... I"m still trying to picture this future non-economy according to the conservative playbook.
MTAtech if you are expecting pandering you are going to be sadly disappointed. If you want to attack conservatives remember all the attack the Liberals and Democrats threw at and continue to throw at Conservatives and Republicans.
Bottom line, if you want respect you can not demand it, or pander for it, you have to earn it.
Again, youre calling anyone who receives any sort of benefit a "dependent" person. However, the parents often provide value to their employers' bottom lines.
That the parents cannot make enough at their jobs is really not their fault.
It's not the high school dropout's fault. It's not the gambling addict's fault. Etc., etc.
What's bizarre is thinking that only the poor pay "other" taxes. When people trot out the "but we have to include ALL taxes", they ignore those taxes that the "rich" also pay. Everyone pays sales, property, local tax, etc. But the "rich" pay federal taxes on top of that.
Uhh... who said that?? All I was objecting too was the classification of "the 47%" as "moochers" based solely on eligibility for federal taxes.
That sort of reinforces my overall point actually. So anyway, 1. This principle gets sloppily applied, so that one person it's talking about federal taxes and the next people are talking about ANY taxes and 2. sizing people up like they are production streams on a balance sheet is the new normal. And that is just strange to me.
And here we have the true gist of the Republican party. They despise all those they consider poor or beneath them.
Not a Republican. I worked my way out of economic hardship. So can others. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of freebie handouts.
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