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Obama is at the center of a vast web of Cabinet Officials, specialists, technicians and other professionals whose job it is to gather, distill and provide information for the purpose of policy making. Obama is incapable of being incompetent in the sense that many of you use the word. To characterize the Fiscal Cliff, as the OP did, as Obama's creation is to completely FAIL to understand the complexity of modern day politics or economics for that matter. Even during the times of uber taxation the wealthy added to their net worths. The gains came so fast and furious during Bush II's administration that the 1% are becoming a law unto themselves. The Noblesse Oblige practiced by Republicans of two generations ago is being replaced by a rapaciousness unseen heretofore in American Politics. The Fiscal Cliff is the economic embodiment of the political stance that has redefined American Politics. To only see the spending that is done to ease the burden of Redneck white people and overlook the spending that is done to maintain America's military posture... ... In the last decade Trillions more have been spent over policy and regime changes abroad, than have been spent on domestic infrastructure, education of our young or the maintainance of the health of wage earners or slackers for that matter. This would continue under any "compromise" that might be made with Republicans. It shouldn't. I'm for going over the cliff if it will send the wake up call that the DoD needs to begin thinking along sustainable trains of thought. It can't get much worse for the working class and the poor. Americans are dying like flies from a host of illnesses and random and not so random violence that is simply unseen in other civilized and quite a few uncivilized countries. For every soldier killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, 1.2 commit suicide upon return from deployment... ... we are losing more soldiers to their own suicides than to the enemy... whoa... does the DoD need that wake up call? Ya think? I'm telling you, one day an alien starship is going to land on the putrid remains of a once populated planet and do an analysis. They will wonder how so many allowed so few to literally let them starve to death while they gorged on the fat of the land and what they couldn't finish they destroyed rather than let any of it "trickle down" to those waiting in need. They will ponder especially hard the paradox of the most ardent of the defenders of the wealthy, who not being in any way wealthy themselves argued tirelessly for the support of policies designed to increase the access of the wealth class to even more power and influence... and of course, more money...
That's probably the best answer yet. I think I'll just go with your answer as I have too many things to do today!
Was not joking...You are talking about a nation of over 360 million people and counting..not to mention new immigrants and millions of illegals...Institutions are having a problem keeping up. "I have too many things to do today" - That is exactly the situation that the President is in. It is an awesome and super complex task to put things in order. Obama figure that out the first term..If he is committed to finishing the job is starting to understand that the effort will literally burn him out..That he will have to sacrifice his mental- physical and spiritual health to do the job...I would say he is a reluctant messiah.
America is in such poor repair that a major over haul is needed to save the place...This is going to take super human effort. How would you like to be in his position...To eventually come to the realization that to succeed might very well destroy you- that you will be empty by the time it's done. I would not want to be in his position...but who knows - maybe the man has finally committed to the idea that he has to give it his all....scary place to be...but he wanted it- be careful what your dreams are as they say.
They demanded the fiscal cliff, yes. They demanded the EPA delays, yes. They demanded sequester, yes. They played chicken with the debt ceiling out of cynical partisan political motives, yes. They walked out of the budget negotiations and away from bold compromise deficit reduction plans offered by the President and the congressional Democrats, yes. They demanded "the ticking time bomb," yes.
You can type "yes' until your y, e, and s keys all go kaput, but that won't make your claims true.
In the debate, Obama said he didn’t propose sequestration, Congress did. (We asked the White House for comment, but didn't hear back.)
To determine the question of ownership, we turned to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward’s new book The Price of Politics.
Woodward’s reporting shows clearly that defense sequestration was an idea that came out of Obama’s White House.
But I think you do provide a prescient road map of how the admin and Dems will try to demagogue the situation in the coming months. And there is probably a better than 50-50 chance that they can get away with it, just as Obama got away with blaming the debt/deficits on Iraq, Afghanistan (even though he strongly supported going to Afghanistan), and the Bush tax cuts, even though those were all very minor factors in building of the debt/deficits.
we are on a downward spiral, our fall is close. you can accept it or not, but one day you will realize the water is boiling. Obama and romney are really no different. two puppets with puppetmasters directing them. They play the public like fools, and here we are waiting for someone to save this sinking ship. Too late folks, Our destruction has begun. It will be a hard fall. Chaos, race killings, the beast in us will awaken and we will be the animals we truly are. America is doomed.
I'm still trying to figure out why the left thinks tax increases will improve the economy.
I never understand why taxing someone else makes me any better off. Besides, the amount of money Obama wants to gain by "taxing the wealthy" will only fund the government for a week or so anyway.
We bring in just over a trillion dollars in income tax revenue each year, and Obama borrows $1.3-$1.6 trillion as it is, so he has essentially increased taxes all of us by 100%-150% and we are in the "worst economy since the Great Depression." So if any liberal thinks increasing income tax rates will make the country better off, Obama has essentially been doing that for four years.
They demanded the fiscal cliff, yes. They demanded the EPA delays, yes. They demanded sequester, yes. They played chicken with the debt ceiling out of cynical partisan political motives, yes. They walked out of the budget negotiations and away from bold compromise deficit reduction plans offered by the President and the congressional Democrats, yes. They demanded "the ticking time bomb," yes.
And as for Obamacare, it was modeled on the plans originally developed by the right wing conservatives at the Heritage foundation.
Yes.
The simple truth is that the fiscal cliff is not a fiscal crisis at all. It is a political crisis created almost entirely for the (we now know failed) purpose of denying Barack Obama a second term. We will now see whether or not the Republicans can rehabilitate their earned image of hating Obama more than they love America.
Tax increases reduce the deficit.---------------------Smaller deficits will improve the economy.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
So tell me, have you been critical of Obama's massive, and invisible, $5 trillion in deficit spending?
Obama characterized Bush as being unpatriotic and irresponsible for adding $4 trillion in eight years, while Obama added $4 trillion in just 2.5 years.
They demanded the fiscal cliff, yes. They demanded the EPA delays, yes. They demanded sequester, yes. They played chicken with the debt ceiling out of cynical partisan political motives, yes. They walked out of the budget negotiations and away from bold compromise deficit reduction plans offered by the President and the congressional Democrats, yes. They demanded "the ticking time bomb," yes.
And as for Obamacare, it was modeled on the plans originally developed by the right wing conservatives at the Heritage foundation.
Yes.
The simple truth is that the fiscal cliff is not a fiscal crisis at all. It is a political crisis created almost entirely for the (we now know failed) purpose of denying Barack Obama a second term. We will now see whether or not the Republicans can rehabilitate their earned image of hating Obama more than they love America.
I am optimistic they can.
Freaking clueless individual is what that post indicates. This entire thing is the creation of Obama, HE SIGNED ALL OF THE LEGISLATION INTO LAW, AND HE CONTROLS THE EPA!
ObamaCare is 100% democratic party
Dodd-Frank is 100% democratic party
EPA regs are 100% controlled by Obama and his EPA director
Bush tax cuts expiring on Jan 1st, 2013 is 100% democratic party
All of the above were passed by the Democratic Party controlled Pelosi congress and Reid controlled Senate, and then signed into law by Obama in 2010. The dems own it, and hacks like you want to act as if the out of control republicans are to blame. Good freaking grief.
Without filibuster reform yes. That will always be true.
Once again, we are back to this crap of an excuse.
Suddenly the all powerful Obama is a weakling and a fool, unless he has a 70% majority in both houses of congress and the SCOTUS. Why vote for democrats if they can't accomplish anything without complete and utter tyranny?
Every other president can get the congress to pass a federal budget, for him to sign, even if his party controls both houses of congress, one house of congress, or no houses of congress.......but not Obama.
Every other president can get the congress to pass a tax policy, for him to sign, even if his party controls both houses of congress, one house of congress, or no houses of congress.......but not Obama.
We have no federal budget, no tax policy, all we have is this weak tit of a president. According to people like you, Obama and the Democratic Party leaders are so inept, so weak, that even when they have a 58% - 60% majority control in both house of congress, he still can't get **** done.
“This is probably the most productive session of Congress since at least the ‘60s,” said Alan Brinkley, a historian at New York’s Columbia University.
So tell me, have you been critical of Obama's massive, and invisible, $5 trillion in deficit spending?
Obama characterized Bush as being unpatriotic and irresponsible for adding $4 trillion in eight years, while Obama added $4 trillion in just 2.5 years.
Interesting point, calling 0bama's $5 trillion in new debt "invisible" since there is no visible sign of that massive amount of spending to be seen. Fifty year high in poverty, 15 million new Americans signed up for Food Stamps, a stagnant economy. What a waste
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Once again, we are back to this crap of an excuse.
Suddenly the all powerful Obama is a weakling and a fool, unless he has a 70% majority in both houses of congress and the SCOTUS. Why vote for democrats if they can't accomplish anything without complete and utter tyranny?
Every other president can get the congress to pass a federal budget, for him to sign, even if his party controls both houses of congress, one house of congress, or no houses of congress.......but not Obama.
Every other president can get the congress to pass a tax policy, for him to sign, even if his party controls both houses of congress, one house of congress, or no houses of congress.......but not Obama.
We have no federal budget, no tax policy, all we have is this weak tit of a president. According to people like you, Obama and the Democratic Party leaders are so inept, so weak, that even when they have a 58% - 60% majority control in both house of congress, he still can't get **** done.
“This is probably the most productive session of Congress since at least the ‘60s,” said Alan Brinkley, a historian at New York’s Columbia University.
Productive at creating a massive ticking time bomb.
Ironic isn't it? The libs boast about the 11th congress being the "most productive session of Congress since at least the ‘60s,” obviously boosting our economy and creating a tax and regulatory climate to create jobs was not a part of their objective.
The most productive congress in 50 years, and what did we get, $5 trillion in debt, a 50 year high in poverty, 43 months in-a-row of over 8% unemployment and $16.3 trillion in national debt.
Every bit of this supposed "fiscal cliff" is the creation of Barack Obama and the dems. He signed all these into law with the purpose of having them all explode in January 2013, and then has the utter unmitigated gal to blame it on the Republicans.
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I think I'll just go with your answer as I have too many things to do today!
