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Old 11-27-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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It had EVERYTHING to do with it.

No, that is what you were taught in your little nod your head education where you stood up and repeated stupid phrases in school with your little spaghetti chin beard and card board hat.

You were lied to. You were programmed to believe, but rather than as you got older, taking a closer look at the information, asking questions, you accepted like a good little follower.

Now you are here defending it, proclaiming yourself correct because the thought of you being a dupe would upset that high opinion you have of yourself. So rather than correcting and learning, you will sink with the ship, because... damnit... you will be right... you will make sure of it.

One word... PATHETIC.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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According to you. Not the Constitution but you wouldn't know that as you just take bits and pieces here and there and say HA! Told ya so!. I do wonder if the British see the US as unconstitutional seeing how they seceded and all.
According to the US Constitution:
Article I - Section 10: Powers Prohibited of States
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation"
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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No state did. SEVERAL STATES see plural there not state but STATES formed a government based on the constitution something ole lincoln there was trampling over.Oh and seeing how the CSA formed a government it wasn't even the states doing so it was the Confederate States of America forming a nation...States may not exercise certain powers reserved for the federal government

The CSA was the Federal Government for those states.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Only the most RWNJ wannabe Confederate loony-toons would ever say that Lincoln was the worst president ever, and only the most idiotic would consider Obama to be his only competition. Either you're completely ignorant or you don't like the fact that Slavery is illegal and a black man is president...
My opinion of Lincoln has NOTHING to do with slavery. In fact, unlike Lincoln, I don't agree that black people should be relegated to the back of the bus. Lincoln had a very low opinion of blacks.

Lincoln killed 800,000 Americans and expanded the power of the federal government among other things.



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Yeah, the Movie sucked. Sure. That's why it's the highest reviewed film in theaters now
Selling movie tickets just means it's entertaining. Being correct is totally unrelated to movie ratings and sales.

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And yeah, again you people play the "reverse racist" card where somehow the people fighting for freedom and progress for blacks are the ones who are racist while the slaveowners are the ones who are noble. It's utterly ridiculous.
Actually you have it backwards. I'm fighting FOR the rights of everyone and against the bigotry of Lincoln.

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And judging by your screen name, I guarantee you'd hate any film about Lincoln unless it was an alternate history where Jefferson Davis killed Lincoln and forced the free blacks back into chains where you clearly feel they belong.
Your ignorance is stunning so I'll help you out. "Roadking" is a Harley Davidson motorcycle. It has nothing to do with who killed Lincoln or anything political at all. It is a "made in American" icon, so maybe your problem is you don't like American products.


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And since you're obviously ignorant to history, it was a SOUTHERNER who fired the first shot, not a Northerner. It was Southerners who started the war by seceding and then marching on Fort Sumter. Get over it, it was 150 years ago and your part of the country is as backwards and weak as ever, it's still a drain on the actually productive states in this nation.
I probably know more about history than you will ever realize but that's beside the point.

This debate has nothing to do with who fired the first shot. It's about the fact that Lincoln killed 800,000 Americans and expanded the power of the federal government and a movie that is misleading.

Productive states???? Now that's funny. My part of the country is doing just fine.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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True. Ever since Lincoln emancipated the slaves, this country has gone downhill. Time to take the country back.

Actually, he didn't emancipate the slaves. Read about it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Chief Justice John Marshall asked, "What is a contract?" His answer was: "a compact between two or more parties." Marshall argued that the sale of land by the Georgia legislature, though fraught with corruption, was a valid "contract". He added that the state had no right to annul the purchase of the land, since doing so would impair the obligations of contract.

More than 2 states made a contract to form a government so there ya go.It was perfectly legal.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No, that is what you were taught in your little nod your head education where you stood up and repeated stupid phrases in school with your little spaghetti chin beard and card board hat.

You were lied to. You were programmed to believe, but rather than as you got older, taking a closer look at the information, asking questions, you accepted like a good little follower.

Now you are here defending it, proclaiming yourself correct because the thought of you being a dupe would upset that high opinion you have of yourself. So rather than correcting and learning, you will sink with the ship, because... damnit... you will be right... you will make sure of it.

One word... PATHETIC.
You wish. I certainly didn't learn it as bed time stories, but on my own. You, OTOH, took those stories and have been running around with them since.

Emancipation and control over slavery was a sore point to the founders. But they knew it would stand against building of the USA if they pushed for it. Especially from those who were still in close ties to the Britons. And South Carolina was influenced by it. It is why Congress was not to legislate against slave trade until 1808 (look for it in the US Constitution). It is why Madison was dealing with the stupid in the 1820s and 1830s (see his take on the Nullifiers and South Carolina). The issue didn't start with Lincoln taking office, contrary to your (likely beliefs). It started decades before it.

Trust me, to call your ideas pathetic would be an understatement.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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CSAThe Confederate flag NEVER flew over a slave ship on the other hand the US flag did fly over MANY slave ships and slavery started in the north.
Actually the first slaves brought to the British Colonies landed in Virginia.

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Slavery was peacefully ended everywhere else except the US
Again, that isn't exactly true, the first slave free nation in the Western hemisphere was the result of Toussaint Louverture war of Independence in Haiti.

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it would have happened here as well.
Many chose not to wait and see if your counter-factual speculation would come true. A rather reasonable course of action.

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I don't care what Gen. McClellan did the first amendment protects free speech Lincoln and his thugs destroyed the constitution and its only continued to be destroyed with damn near every president since then.
A Constitution that allowed the ownership of one man by another and then subjugated them to second class citizenship within the human race needed to be destroyed.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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CSA

The Confederate flag NEVER flew over a slave ship on the other hand the US flag did fly over MANY slave ships and slavery started in the north.Slavery was peacefully ended everywhere else except the US and it would have happened here as well.I don't care what Gen. McClellan did the first amendment protects free speech Lincoln and his thugs destroyed the constitution and its only continued to be destroyed with damn near every president since then.

Who refused to let the slaves go free..North or South??
Who demanded that the expanding Western Territories be Slave holding States..North or South??
After emancipation, who denied Blacks the right to vote, due process or free speech ..North or South??
Who denied Blacks their inalienable rights..North or South??
Who fought a war to maintain slavery..North or South??


Nothing is revisionist. Read Lincoln's own speeches. Its right there for you to read and study for yourself. Most people are just to lazy or incompetent to do so. They like to believe the lies they have been fed all of their lives.
CSA= was never and is not now a "country"..it was a group of ConfederatesScumofAmerica who were too stupid to know they were being lead into an azz whooping by the southern gentry or the southern gentry too smug to see that this country wasen't only theirs.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Roadking is like Goebbels, when confronted about his lies he simply repeats them with added vehemence hoping some screwballs out there will take him seriously.

Obviously he hates The United States. And since he lives in The United States he's free to do so. As I am free to hold him in scorn.
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