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Old 11-27-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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she figures that Progressives are just as bad or something.
Worse!

Neoconservative doesn't even apply to the fundamental conservatives, and certainly not the Old Right Republicans.

The incarnation of "progressive" is just an interchangeable term that more kindly (and wrongly) represents socialists, communists and marxists. Neocon is a term invented by a socialist to represent liberals that sided with some conservative views, backed war mongering, and nation building.

The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was used initially during the 1930s, to describe American liberals who criticized communists. The term "neoconservative" was popularized in the United States during 1973 by Socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define those whose ideologies differed from his own.

Irving Kristol remarked that a neoconservative is a "liberal mugged by reality", one who became more conservative after seeing the results of liberal policies.

Basically a progressive labels anyone that disagrees with them a neocon.

Yes, progressives are far worse.

As for this thread... you can tax 100% of the GDP, but if spending isn't cut off at the head we will become nothing more than a 3rd world socialist/communist nation. The USSR comes to mind.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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If a business chooses to ship their jobs overseas, I can choose not to support them. If you have any Apple product, you are supporting a business that has shipped jobs overseas. To much government regulations and control suppress and stifle entrepreneurship.
While this sometimes true, it's not consistently true, and sometimes regulations actually create jobs. For instance: If stricter emission guidelines were enact on coal-fired power plants, the managers would need to hire (and pay) people to install new equipment to meet the new guidelines.

And this is to say nothing of all the industries that have been created by, or at the very least benefited directly from government subsidies. Early oil exploration required massive government subsidies. [Many of these subsidies still exist, but are not necessary.] The early auto industry received massive government subsidies. And what about the internet? That was actually created by the DOD.

Back to your original question of how to reduce the deficit/natl debt: I absolutely acknowledge that it's a serious issue, but while reducing it is certainly important, eliminating them entirely is that crucial; reduction is enough.

As to how, here are few things that would eliminate the deficit, thus gradually reducing the natl debt: Raise the tax rate on wealthy households (individuals making $200K+year, households making over $250K) back to 38% (they're currently about 32%). Reduce tax deductions for superfluous and luxury items: There's no reason why items like a private jet or yacht should be tax deductible.

And most importantly, reduce the bloated, gratuitous defense budget! Many military administrators themselves absolutely acknowledge that we could reduce the budget by about 15-20% and still have an effective military. As currently structured, the military is still largely geared towards the Cold War: There's simply no practical reason to have as many ships, planes, and other expensive, antiquated hardware. Most of the military-related issue we face and will likely face in the future will be related to intelligence and strategic targeting of crucial targets rather than large-scale warfare. Our current military is largely dated and unnecessarily expensive.

OK - is this a good start? All of these suggestions would go a long-way towards eliminating the deficit, and therefore reducing the debt (though I won't even pretend I have all the answers; I don't think any one person does).
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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Can you provide a link? Do they make tips to supplement their income? I need complete honesty; the full story, to make a full assessment. Thanks
I used to work in the hotel biz years ago and I can say that tips were something that rarely occurred (one place we had to share, others no). If they did, they were really low. A waitperson makes most of their income from tips, a housekeeper in a hotel/motel not at all.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:04 PM
 
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Do you also believe that every able bodied worker that is currently employed 40 hours either through one job or multiple jobs should be making a pay that allows them to be independent of government assistance?
Yes, of course. But that is up to them. You are responsible for the choices that you make, as am I. If you don't make a lot of money, don't spend $6/day at Starbucks and have a $200/month cell phone bill and then claim that you don't make a "livable wage". Live within in your means and make some sacrifices for a little while.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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So, the FedGov should throw out minimum wage so Apple could pay Americans $17/day to build iPhones? That would really sort our economic problems out, wouldn't it?
Not sure why you quoted me, what you wrote has nothing to do with my post.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:08 PM
 
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Actually if you own any form of technology, manufactured goods, clothing, and in some cases food, then you are probably already supporting companies who ship jobs overseas.

The clothes that you are wearing, how many pieces of clothing are you wearing that was actually "made in America." I can honestly tell you that none of what I am wearing was probably made in this country. Heck, a number of my clothes comes from a Japanese company that doesn't even make their clothes in Japan. That is the price we pay living in a global economy, it is easy for companies to ship jobs overseas if there is little to no government punishment for it or tax tariffs to prevent that from happening, and it makes it much harder for you and I to not support companies that are willing to ship companies overseas.

I know you mentioned Apple because you are assuming I am an Apple supporter when in fact, I am typing on a Toshiba laptop and have an HTC Android phone, neither of which were made in this country, and I doubt your phone or computer was made in this country either....that is the point I am trying to make with the need for regulations when it comes to shipping jobs overseas.
That's why I like, support and agree with your idea of incentivizing companies that do not ship jobs overseas; tax breaks and less regulations and red tape.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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Modest spending cuts to the discretionary budget other than defense, a 25% cut to the military (still leaving it 75% higher than when Bush took office), a return to the modest tax rates of the Clinton boom years, push the SSI retirement rate up to 70, do the same to medicare, and institute results based pay rules to medicare like every other 1st world country already has. I'm sure wing nuts will make wild claims about "death panels" over the last one but the reality is there really are a lot of ways to save money in medicine from more aggressively going after provider fraud, to switching to generics (that alone would save 10% of all medical expenses in the US), and comparing the results of expensive new treatments to cheaper older treatments which often actually achieve the same results. Right now though they providers want to do the expensive one because they make more off of medicare doing that but it doesn't benefit the patient at all.
You lost me when you had to resort to name calling. Don't worry, I did it to and had to apologize.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Worse!

Neoconservative doesn't even apply to the fundamental conservatives, and certainly not the Old Right Republicans.

The incarnation of "progressive" is just an interchangeable term that more kindly (and wrongly) represents socialists, communists and marxists. Neocon is a term invented by a socialist to represent liberals that sided with some conservative views, backed war mongering, and nation building.

The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was used initially during the 1930s, to describe American liberals who criticized communists. The term "neoconservative" was popularized in the United States during 1973 by Socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define those whose ideologies differed from his own.

Irving Kristol remarked that a neoconservative is a "liberal mugged by reality", one who became more conservative after seeing the results of liberal policies.

Basically a progressive labels anyone that disagrees with them a neocon.

Yes, progressives are far worse.

As for this thread... you can tax 100% of the GDP, but if spending isn't cut off at the head we will become nothing more than a 3rd world socialist/communist nation. The USSR comes to mind.
And every liberal that has posted on this thread has said we need modest tax hikes with cuts in spending across the board, like to the military and medicare and SS by increasing the age you can get onto those two programs. As well as a number of other suggested cuts.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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And every liberal that has posted on this thread has said we need modest tax hikes with cuts in spending across the board, like to the military and medicare and SS by increasing the age you can get onto those two programs. As well as a number of other suggested cuts.
Actually, a couple made no mention of spending cuts. Some people actually do not believe that we have a spending problem. I just don't get it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Not sure why you quoted me, what you wrote has nothing to do with my post.

Really? Your post I quoted didn't specifically mention Apple - the maker of iPhones, and Federal regulations - of which, minimum wage is one?
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