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View Poll Results: Repeal Obamacare?
Yes 48 44.86%
No 59 55.14%
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Ask my dad about Medicare... Just the minimum.

I can see some bureaucrat with your life in his/her hands. Can't you!

My dad has been on 2 death panels, in his time on medicare.
Insurance companies also have the so called " death panels.

We are all free to pay out of pocket for any and all care, any time we want to do so. Ann Romney was not hindered by a death panel and able to pay whatever it took to put and keep her MS in remission.

In the meantime, how much more are you willing to pay to give everyone with an MS diagnosis the same treatment including a personal therapy horse to beat MS into remission and give all our dads another 6 months?
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:21 PM
 
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Knowing now what is happening with ObamaCare and how it is affecting small business, the middle & lower classes and causing insurance rates to rise, not to mention the huge cost it will add to the deficit, would you like to repeal Obamacare?
I'd be open to its repeal, if conservatives had a coherent idea about what Obamacare should be replaced with.

In my view, the system was broken prior to Obamacare, and we ought not go back to that, we ought to move forward.

Republicans would be smart to fix the most offensive aspects of Obamacare rather than repeal it, but that seems like an act of humility that the party is incapable of.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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I'd be open to its repeal, if conservatives had a coherent idea about what Obamacare should be replaced with.

In my view, the system was broken prior to Obamacare, and we cannot go back to that.
Read the following to see what the Republicans proposed and was ignored by the dems in the past - we need to implement these rather than the massive amount of red tape that was ObamaCare:

* Allow insurers to sell policies across state lines. Currently health insurance is regulated by the states and consumers in one state cannot purchase a policy sold in another state. Republicans argue that the current restriction locks people into expensive plans in states with high minimum-coverage requirements. Critics argue the proposal could spark a race to the bottom for coverage and consumer protections. The Senate-passed Democratic healthcare bill included a version of this proposal.

* Create new state high-risk pools or reinsurance programs to provide insured people access to health insurance. Republican backers argue this would give everyone access to insurance coverage. Critics argue that most of the millions of uninsured people are between jobs and would not be able to afford the premiums that, at least in one proposal put forward by Representative Dave Camp, the top Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, would be capped at 150 percent of the average premiums within a state.

* Some Republicans, including Senate Finance Committee member Charles Grassley, call for barring insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions and argue that the reinsurance program would allow for coverage of those people who wait until they get sick before purchasing insurance. Reinsurance pool premiums would be higher than regular insurance. The Democratic bill bars insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions. But their bill would require everyone to purchase insurance to prevent people from waiting until they get sick to get coverage, which would send insurance premiums soaring.

* Senate and House Republicans have offered proposals that would provide incentives to encourage states to enact regulatory reforms that reduce premiums and expand coverage without subsidies or expanding the Medicaid government health insurance program for the poor.

* Allow small businesses to pool together in associations to purchase health insurance. Republicans argue this would help them obtain more-affordable coverage. The Democratic bill would create insurance pools through new state and national exchanges where individuals and businesses would shop for insurance plans.

* Discourage "junk" lawsuits by changing medical liability laws to limit noneconomic damages. Most proposals set a $250,000 cap. The Congressional Budget Office has said this provision could save the federal government as much as $54 billion over 10 years.

* Crack down on waste, fraud and abuse in Medicaid and in the Medicare government health insurance program for the elderly and disabled. Democratic healthcare legislation also includes measures to reduce fraud and waste in those programs.

* Beef up incentives for employer-sponsored "wellness programs" so that workers who participate could get bigger breaks on insurance premiums. Senator Judd Gregg and other Republicans argue the incentives would encourage people to live healthier lifestyles that can lead to lower healthcare costs. But some healthcare advocates argue the proposal is unfair to people with chronic health conditions.

Factbox: Republican healthcare reform proposals | Reuters


These would actualy REDUCE the cost of health care rather than add to it as ObamaCare does and it would be far less intrusive.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not doing well in Canada or England, where everyone who can leave and comes here for life-saving treatment.
Not too different than those with money in the U.S. who go to Germany and Switzerland for life saving treatment.

BTW, infant mortality is lower and life expectancy is higher in most countries with established national healthcare systems, including GB, Canada, Germany and Switzerland.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: North America
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Read the following to see what the Republicans proposed and was ignored by the dems in the past - we need to implement these rather than the massive amount of red tape that was ObamaCare:

* Allow insurers to sell policies across state lines. Currently health insurance is regulated by the states and consumers in one state cannot purchase a policy sold in another state. Republicans argue that the current restriction locks people into expensive plans in states with high minimum-coverage requirements. Critics argue the proposal could spark a race to the bottom for coverage and consumer protections. The Senate-passed Democratic healthcare bill included a version of this proposal.

* Create new state high-risk pools or reinsurance programs to provide insured people access to health insurance. Republican backers argue this would give everyone access to insurance coverage. Critics argue that most of the millions of uninsured people are between jobs and would not be able to afford the premiums that, at least in one proposal put forward by Representative Dave Camp, the top Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, would be capped at 150 percent of the average premiums within a state.

* Some Republicans, including Senate Finance Committee member Charles Grassley, call for barring insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions and argue that the reinsurance program would allow for coverage of those people who wait until they get sick before purchasing insurance. Reinsurance pool premiums would be higher than regular insurance. The Democratic bill bars insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions. But their bill would require everyone to purchase insurance to prevent people from waiting until they get sick to get coverage, which would send insurance premiums soaring.

* Senate and House Republicans have offered proposals that would provide incentives to encourage states to enact regulatory reforms that reduce premiums and expand coverage without subsidies or expanding the Medicaid government health insurance program for the poor.

* Allow small businesses to pool together in associations to purchase health insurance. Republicans argue this would help them obtain more-affordable coverage. The Democratic bill would create insurance pools through new state and national exchanges where individuals and businesses would shop for insurance plans.

* Discourage "junk" lawsuits by changing medical liability laws to limit noneconomic damages. Most proposals set a $250,000 cap. The Congressional Budget Office has said this provision could save the federal government as much as $54 billion over 10 years.

* Crack down on waste, fraud and abuse in Medicaid and in the Medicare government health insurance program for the elderly and disabled. Democratic healthcare legislation also includes measures to reduce fraud and waste in those programs.

* Beef up incentives for employer-sponsored "wellness programs" so that workers who participate could get bigger breaks on insurance premiums. Senator Judd Gregg and other Republicans argue the incentives would encourage people to live healthier lifestyles that can lead to lower healthcare costs. But some healthcare advocates argue the proposal is unfair to people with chronic health conditions.

Factbox: Republican healthcare reform proposals | Reuters


These would actualy REDUCE the cost of health care rather than add to it as ObamaCare does and it would be far less intrusive.

The republicans had 6.5 years under a very friendly Bush Administration to enact their proposals. They didn't. So the onus is on them.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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How about to repeal and replace with single payer system as one poster mentioned above?
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Yes. Its not the governments right to order me to buy insurance and they can steal whatever they want,It ain't gonna happen.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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No.

But it should be replaced by a single payer system.
Agreed. Single payer is the way to go. You make that one bill to replace Obamacare with single payer and then you would have a lot of support.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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Does your state have mandatory regulation for auto insurance coverage? If not, does that mean you would pay all by yourself in case of accident, not out other guys' pocket?

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Yes. Its not the governments right to order me to buy insurance and they can steal whatever they want,It ain't gonna happen.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Yes they have mandatory auto insurance theft. They force me to pay money for something I don't want. Theft.Now if I was able to get it if I wanted like NH allows I might do so I might not...
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