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Old 11-30-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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The problem with this thread, the OP and the following discussion is that there is no discussion of the science.

There is a nice debate about a so called "news article" which is more a Press Release about a Peer reviewed paper.


What we do not have is the actual paper. We dont even have the title of the paper so we can go look for it.

So the fact is, there is no way to know if the paper is sound or silly.
Yep, the article is rather silly. It makes all of these claims, uses "loose" reference to administrations, but never cites any specific work. /shrug

 
Old 11-30-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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Yep, the article is rather silly. It makes all of these claims, uses "loose" reference to administrations, but never cites any specific work. /shrug

it is amazing isnt it?
 
Old 11-30-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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it is amazing isnt it?

I used to think so, these days... it is kind of the norm which is why unless a given article properly sources it, I immediately write them off as gossip.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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That isn't Climate Change™, it is a process of sublimation and has already been established as such. In fact, Gore (I don't care about gore, but this claim was his flagship for a while) and those who attempted to use it as support had a lot of backlash for it.

Here is the paper that showed what is responsible for the melt with Mt. Kilimanjaro.

ScienceDirect.com - Global and Planetary Change - The montane circulation on Kilimanjaro, Tanzania and its relevance for the summit ice fields: Comparison of surface mountain climate with equivalent reanalysis parameters


Here is a picture that visually explains the process:
Yes it is climate change and yes it is happening at Kilimanjaro, and it is happening at all tropical glacial peaks from the Andes to the Himalayas. Mt. Kilimanjaro isn't the one off situation paid deniers make it.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture04141.html
 
Old 11-30-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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Yes it is climate change and yes it is happening at Kilimanjaro, and it is happening at all tropical glacial peaks from the Andes to the Himalayas. Mt. Kilimanjaro isn't the one off situation paid deniers make it.

Potential impacts of a warming climate on water availability in snow-dominated regions : Abstract : Nature

Your paper is a modeled analysis of projections. The one I provided does empirical analysis.

You do understand the problem with your support do you not?
 
Old 11-30-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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Yep, the article is rather silly. It makes all of these claims, uses "loose" reference to administrations, but never cites any specific work. /shrug
True they don't provide a link to the article they are citing, but I think it is explained in this one:

Modeling Sea Level Rise | Learn Science at Scitable


And this is a brief article by the same author:

A new view on sea level rise : article : Nature Reports Climate Change

Articles on Climate Change from Nature:

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html
 
Old 11-30-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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The Atlantic coast of the U.S. has some areas with particularly high rates of sea level change.

"Climate warming does not force sea-level rise at the same rate everywhere. Rather there are spatial variations superimposed on global average rise." The Atlantic seaboard contains "hot spots", areas of faster than average sea level rise, as shown on the following map. The yellow and orange circles indicate hot spots for rising sea-levels based on data from 1950-2009.

The rate of sea-level rise in the atlantic northeast hotspot were 3 to 4 times higher than the global average. The map below on the left is for 1950 to 2009 and on the far right from 1970 to 2009.



http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journ...imate1597.html
 
Old 11-30-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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I used to think so, these days... it is kind of the norm which is why unless a given article properly sources it, I immediately write them off as gossip.
These findings are not "gossip". They are based on satellite-based measurements --- actual real data, not projections. I posted several links to where you can find actual scientific articles in my posts above.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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Actually, Europe and North America are subsiding because the ice age squished Canada down, forcing America to bulge out, now America is subsiding as most of Canada rises, and the North Sea floor is rising while Continental Europe is sinking, it only amounts to a few inches or so, but when your proof is coming from the US, subsidence is a additive factor.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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Your paper is a modeled analysis of projections. The one I provided does empirical analysis.

You do understand the problem with your support do you not?
Here is another from Tienshan. Again you are going against almost every piece of data out there. Man made global warming is real. It is almost comical that you are denying it in the face of glacial retreat unseen in ten thousand years.

ScienceDirect.com - Global and Planetary Change - Climate change and glacier retreat in northern Tien Shan (Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan) using remote sensing data
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