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Old 11-29-2012, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Latest "outrage" in DC public schools is that the one decent public high school in the mostly White area of the city is full to capacity. Currently most students are Black at the school but many come from feeder schools in middle class black Ward 4.The proposal is to eliminate kids outside of the boundary who don't attend feeder schools.

The cries of racism have begun. Of course just about everyone in DC leadership is Black including the superintendent.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Poverty will never go away, it has always been apart of society long before this country was ever formed. The only question is, how is a nation going to deal with it's own poverty?
The same way we always do..more programs costing more money and hope the problems fix themselves.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:39 AM
 
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This has nothing to do with liberalism. It has to do with the DNA of the people who live in Washington DC.
I've noticed a lot of conservatives blame the problems of the inner city on liberalism. I'm not sure if they truly believe that or are trying to avoid the obvious. If liberalism in it of itself was the ruin of cities and states, why isn't Portland, Seattle or even Pittsburgh facing the same problems that Detroit, Baltimore and DC face?

I do take issue with blaming DNA it has more to do with the culture the residents of these dysfunctional cities embrace, they just happen to be Black.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's a very big factor but it's not all of it. There is excellent report from CATO:


Even though those kids had poor home environments you would expect some positives in this, there was none.
Because school is not a replacement for the poor home environment.
They don't live at school and teachers are not substitute parents.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I wonder if, in the wake of this finding, parents in wealthy districts where per-pupil spending is high will decide to stop spending so much money on their kids' education. I kinda doubt it...
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Nothing will change. The Dept of Education and this administration push down to schools that everyone is a winner and everyone will go to college. Statistically impossible.

Make K-8 mandatory.
9-12 ..2 year vocation or 4 year academic track based on K-8 records.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Poverty will never go away, it has always been apart of society long before this country was ever formed. The only question is, how is a nation going to deal with it's own poverty?
Apparently by throwing money at it in order to assuage personal feelings of guilt. If poverty will never go away, as you admit, why spend hundreds of billions or trillions on programs that achieve absolutely nothing in terms of changed the the poverty rates? The war on poverty is the same as the war on drugs. Its a way to make people, but especially politicians, feel good about themselves vis-a-vis a societal problem that will never go away.

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I do take issue with blaming DNA it has more to do with the culture the residents of these dysfunctional cities embrace, they just happen to be Black.
Fair enough. But if it was cultural, rather than genetic, wouldn't we see an African equivalent of New York, Tokyo, Dubai or Buenas Aires somewhere in the world?
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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Money is obviously not the answer -- just like the USA spends far more on "education" than other countries but the students in the USA are seeing fast falling test scores when compared.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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Apparently by throwing money at it in order to assuage personal feelings of guilt. If poverty will never go away, as you admit, why spend hundreds of billions or trillions on programs that achieve absolutely nothing in terms of changed the the poverty rates? The war on poverty is the same as the war on drugs. Its a way to make people, but especially politicians, feel good about themselves vis-a-vis a societal problem that will never go away.



Fair enough. But if it was cultural, rather than genetic, wouldn't we see an African equivalent of New York, Tokyo, Dubai or Buenas Aires somewhere in the world?
That's still cultural.

Look at Barbados -- the country with the third highest standard of living in the Western hemisphere -- right after Canada and the USA. It has a superior culture.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Apparently by throwing money at it in order to assuage personal feelings of guilt. If poverty will never go away, as you admit, why spend hundreds of billions or trillions on programs that achieve absolutely nothing in terms of changed the the poverty rates? The war on poverty is the same as the war on drugs. Its a way to make people, but especially politicians, feel good about themselves vis-a-vis a societal problem that will never go away.



Fair enough. But if it was cultural, rather than genetic, wouldn't we see an African equivalent of New York, Tokyo, Dubai or Buenas Aires somewhere in the world?
Fair point and one I've contemplated. I still think it's cultural since presumably African countries or countries with large numbers of African descended people produce a number of individuals with sufficient IQs to build the great cities. However due to cultural practices their talents are either thwarted or directed elsewhere.
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