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Old 03-04-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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The words he used to villify white people did not single out white supremists or just the racist kind. He generalized. I note you use the word "was" in regards to those of European descent as being white supremists. That's where it needs to remain as "was". That doesn't reflect the views of most white Americans today. Rev. Wright and many like him still want to villify the white race today when most are not white supremists. I guess living in the past pays off if you want to play the victim card all day though.
I will take your response as an indication that you can't find an instance of Rev. Wright vilifying white people in general!

Rev. Wright does not hate white people. If he did he would not have worked almost his entire professional career for a denomination that was and is predominately (90%+) white.

A victim mentality was not preached at Trinity UCC. As an example, one of its former members became President of the United States.

I think the conservative evangelical Stephen Mansfield, who actually attended services at Trinity, expressed the attitude of Trinity well in his book "The Faith of Barack Obama".

Obama would also find at Trinity encouragement for his intellectual and professional quest. It is not a coincidence that he attended Harvard, practiced law, ran for public office in Illinois, and sought the presidency all after his connection to Trinity began. Trinity called for people to rise, created an environment of learning and achievement, and modeled the pursuit of intellectual excellence. Another pastor might joke about a seminary being a cemetery and about how believers could "get their learning and lose their burning." Jeremiah Wright, a man with four earned degrees, used, as Obama later wrote, "twenty-five-cent words" with regularity. He hired only well-educated staff, put university professors in charge of Sunday school classes, and worked to send the youth of his church to the most reputable schools in the land. Understanding a single Jeremiah Wright sermon might require knowing something of Middle East history, Greek, Hebrew, the amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the causes of World War II, the politics of the Sudan, and the details of how syphilis is spread. Obama thrived in such an environment. It fueled his intellectual curiosity, answered his theological questions, and honored his intention to rise on the strength of his mind.

 
Old 03-04-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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Obama's war is on rich white people . Obama heard it all from the pulpit of Reverend Wright who contantly beat the drum of rich whites, white privilege, po blacks and division and created resentment.. Obama's spread the wealth around is the division of class, and also race. Obama and his remarks that white CEO's don't care about the poor are quite telling .. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
It is quite funny (and telling) that Obama constantly rants on rich CEO's (mostly white) to spread the wealth, but never does the same with rich NFL / NBA stars (mostly black). Shouldn't these NFL stars making crazy multi million salaries be expected to share their wealth as well?
 
Old 03-04-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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I will take your response as an indication that you can't find an instance of Rev. Wright vilifying white people in general!

Rev. Wright does not hate white people. If he did he would not have worked almost his entire professional career for a denomination that was and is predominately (90%+) white.

A victim mentality was not preached at Trinity UCC. As an example, one of its former members became President of the United States.

I think the conservative evangelical Stephen Mansfield, who actually attended services at Trinity, expressed the attitude of Trinity well in his book "The Faith of Barack Obama".

Obama would also find at Trinity encouragement for his intellectual and professional quest. It is not a coincidence that he attended Harvard, practiced law, ran for public office in Illinois, and sought the presidency all after his connection to Trinity began. Trinity called for people to rise, created an environment of learning and achievement, and modeled the pursuit of intellectual excellence. Another pastor might joke about a seminary being a cemetery and about how believers could "get their learning and lose their burning." Jeremiah Wright, a man with four earned degrees, used, as Obama later wrote, "twenty-five-cent words" with regularity. He hired only well-educated staff, put university professors in charge of Sunday school classes, and worked to send the youth of his church to the most reputable schools in the land. Understanding a single Jeremiah Wright sermon might require knowing something of Middle East history, Greek, Hebrew, the amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the causes of World War II, the politics of the Sudan, and the details of how syphilis is spread. Obama thrived in such an environment. It fueled his intellectual curiosity, answered his theological questions, and honored his intention to rise on the strength of his mind.
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 - ABC News
 
Old 03-04-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default Not me.

I am an old white guy and I never noticed the Democratic Party waging war on me. The Republican Party and their monopoly businesses on the other hand.
 
Old 03-04-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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That link is responsive to what? Where did Rev. Wright express hatred for whites in that link?

Rev. Wright certainly did not express hatred towards whites in the two separate sermons referenced in the link.
 
Old 03-04-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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It is quite funny (and telling) that Obama constantly rants on rich CEO's (mostly white) to spread the wealth, but never does the same with rich NFL / NBA stars (mostly black). Shouldn't these NFL stars making crazy multi million salaries be expected to share their wealth as well?
How about because their wealth is not made on the backs of the poor and is not manipulated by the government? Or how about because they are also working for wealthy whites as well
 
Old 03-04-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I guess you feel the same way about Malcolm X's remark about the "chickens coming home to roost"
 
Old 03-04-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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Democrats? Its the GOP which has been exploiting the southern strategy of racism for decades. Recently even they have acknowledged its time might be up Sen. Lindsey Graham: Not Enough 'Angry White Guys' to Sustain GOP
 
Old 03-04-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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That link is responsive to what? Where did Rev. Wright express hatred for whites in that link?

Rev. Wright certainly did not express hatred towards whites in the two separate sermons referenced in the link.
Obviously since it has been mostly whites in our government his "God Damn America" definately is a slam against them. He has made direct comments about whites keeping the black man down also and implies that whites are racists. That kind of race baiting crap needs to be stopped. It is dividiing our country.
 
Old 03-04-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Obviously since it has been mostly whites in our government his "God Damn America" definately is a slam against them. He has made direct comments about whites keeping the black man down also and implies that whites are racists. That kind of race baiting crap needs to be stopped. It is dividiing our country.
Obviously you didn't listen to the complete "Confusing God and Government" sermon because if you had you would know that he was taking about (slamming) all human governments not just the American Government. He made direct references to Governments not run by people of European Descent.

Is Rev. Wright not allowed to base his comments on historical fact? Have not leaders of the United States who believed in white supremacy implemented polices, laws and customs that were detrimental to black men. is it not historical fact that there were white racists in position of power in the United States?

What you won't find is Rev. Wright implying that all whites are racists.

I agree race bating needs to stop, which is why I have no problem challenging people who assert that Rev. Wright or the members of Trinity UCC hate white people.
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