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View Poll Results: Should we build the HSR network
Yes 192 60.57%
No 125 39.43%
Voters: 317. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-02-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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How do you know most of the rail travel won't be high speed? --- I thought it was high speed rail that is being proposed.
Because I read the proposed plan. Some of you just look at the pictures.

 
Old 12-02-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I do think that for cross country there should be aviation, but in the dense northeast, and California, I believe that we should build a high speed rail network.
Build away. California never would have started it without federal funds - we are broke. If the voters here had to vote to approve 100% of the cost it would have never passed.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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HIGH speed rail is for LONG distances...but who is really going to ride a maine to miami with no stops...even with a few stops (ie portland to boston to NYC to DC to richmand to savannah to miami) the wear and tear on the high speed train is very costly
Depends on what you mean by long: 3-500 miles is generally accepted as optimal length for HSR lines, which as it happens it just about the distance between Boston and Washington (c. 450 mi.), Vancouver to Portland (c. 320 mi), or SF-Oakland-Sacramento to Los Angeles (c. 380 mi.).

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sorry but the current flavor of the week 'high speed rail' is not what we need as much as QUALITY and EFFICEINT rail, and lite-rail systens with in the short distance
Again, I would argue that HSR is only one component of a rational transportation policy for the U.S., and improvement to our existing lines should and can be an integral part of that. Light rail is another matter entirely, suitable for intra-metro travel rather than inter-city, but I would agree that where conditions allow it should be considered, and to the extent that our transportation infrastructure categorically will require federal financing, light rail should have its share of federal support.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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You're a smart young lady. The big picture is always different.
As an old balding male, thanks for the compliment.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 80.4 Million
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Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million

United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million


United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million

United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 70 Million

United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 290 Million


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Old 12-02-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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very little. wish people would understand that before they start wanting to talk about their favorite projects.
The worst thing ever was the creation of the income tax. With that "income stream," the greedy government saw no end to what it could fund from the plunder.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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As an old balding male, thanks for the compliment.
My mistake.

Another old balding male says "mea culpa".
 
Old 12-02-2012, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Five reasons why the Amtrak Acela Express is far superior to flying | Gadling.com
 
Old 12-02-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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All good points but this one in particular is a non-negligible consideration for me:

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5. There's no dehumanizing security process: first, there's no reason not to feel safe, and there are security measures in place to protect Amtrak's customers. That said, you don't have to squander your youth waiting to get wanded by someone from the TSA. You just carry your bags on board and take your seat.

And lest anyone reply that it's only a matter of time before trains are targeted by terrorism, it's useful to recall that European rail networks have been no less vulnerable to attacks by IRA, ETA, Brigate Rossi, Bader-Meinhof, etc, etc., and yet they have managed to keep their trains safe by ordinary methods of policing.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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