Senate votes to end Afghan war! YAY! (Congress, Afghanistan, Obama)

[moving_pains]

Victory! Senate votes to end the war « Groundswell Blog, from Peace Action West
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote



Statement of Purpose: To express the sense of Congress on the accelerated transition of United States combat and military and security operations to the Government of Afghanistan.

See how your senators voted: U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

[padcrasher]

The fact that Senate can pass a non-binding "sense of Congress" doesn't mean much I'm afraid.

The defense lobbyists are all over the House that controls the purse strings to make sure their income stream is not effected. Obama of course is of no help.

But look at all the GOP that wants to continue the war. How pathetic!

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by moving_pains

Victory! Senate votes to end the war « Groundswell Blog, from Peace Action West
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote



Statement of Purpose: To express the sense of Congress on the accelerated transition of United States combat and military and security operations to the Government of Afghanistan.

See how your senators voted: U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

That and about $3.50 will get you one cup of coffee.

[moving_pains]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

The fact that Senate can pass a non-binding "sense of Congress" doesn't mean much I'm afraid.

The defense lobbyists are all over the House that controls the purse strings to make sure their income stream is not effected. Obama of course is of no help.

But look at all the GOP that wants to continue the war. How pathetic!

I'll take it, nonetheless. Something is better than nothing. I am so sick of these stupid wars that any gesture towards ending it is welcome. At least, it'll get the conversation moving in the right direction.

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by moving_pains

I'll take it, nonetheless. Something is better than nothing. I am so sick of these stupid wars that any gesture towards ending it is welcome. At least, it'll get the conversation moving in the right direction.

But much of this is done to placate people that feel as you do "it's a little something" ,while at the same time not do a damn thing about it. It's almost counter productive.

Democrats in the Senate played this game. They would take turns siding with the GOP to defeat legislation helping the middle class. We would always lose because the Dems were taking turns "being the bad guys".

[dman72]

This is really something that both sides of the political aisle could probably agree on..however, getting either side to go along with it Congress wouldn't happen because military contractors are so deeply entrenched.

We need to re-establish the constitutional idea that only Congress can declare war. There should be not be a single bomb dropped or shot fired without Congressional approval. This perpetual war police action BS has to stop.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Now all they have to do is convince the President.

This vote is a sham, neither the house or senate voted on a declaration of war in the first place.

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by dman72

This is really something that both sides of the political aisle could probably agree on..however, getting either side to go along with it Congress wouldn't happen because military contractors are so deeply entrenched.

We need to re-establish the constitutional idea that only Congress can declare war. There should be not be a single bomb dropped or shot fired without Congressional approval. This perpetual war police action BS has to stop.

No kidding. But has much as Republicans hate Obama, they love authority more.

Here they had a chance to at least stand up to him, and they sided with him. Dems voted against their own President and defense industry lobbyists.

They love wars. It makes them feel macho.

[DeadSpeak]

Maybe those in congress who love that war time money should be kidnapped and thrown out into the front lines with cheap chinese knockoff guns.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by moving_pains

I'll take it, nonetheless. Something is better than nothing. I am so sick of these stupid wars that any gesture towards ending it is welcome. At least, it'll get the conversation moving in the right direction.

Has anyone heard the president give a nation address to the nation about the war? No. We have no leadership on this from Obama, no justification of why our sons should bleed in that war.

If you ask me, we surrendered four years ago, and have been looking for the exit door with the least amount of negative political fallout. Obama has no intention of winning the war, just exiting the war, so he can forget about it entirely.