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Old 12-01-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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They have no plan, they never have a plan. They are the "Stand Pats" and never, never want to move in any direction at all. They have no balls and are a bunch of scardy cats. Their reasoning is always, "if we do this then these people will be mad but on the other hand if we do that then those people will be mad so we will do what we always do and just critisize the other side and do nothing at all ourselves".
You're right, they have no plan. It's crazy--they expect President Obama to come up with the specifics of THEIR demands.

Republicans: We demand that cuts are made. Now tell us what those cuts that we demand are going to be.

"Perhaps the key lesson the White House took from the last couple of years is this: Don’t negotiate with yourself. If Republicans want to cut Medicare, let them propose the cuts. If they want to raise revenue through tax reform, let them identify the deductions. If they want deeper cuts in discretionary spending, let them settle on a number. And, above all, if they don’t like the White House’s preferred policies, let them propose their own."

-Ezra Klein, Washington Post
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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She can do what she wants but repul;bicans wouldn't follow siut int eh house;lso it a useless jesture.they cold do the same thig with a cuts vote .
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So what's she proposing for spending cuts?

They absolutely need to cut spending -- and that has to be part of the compromise.
Is there anything stopping the house from negotiating? The ball has been in their court. What cuts have the Republicans put forth?

Neither party wants to own what needs to be done to Medicare so the can continues to be kicked.

Republicans are not in favor of cutting defence.

Is the Republican Party going to stand and demand SNAP benefits be halved?

How bout cutting back on unemployment benefits?

Does the Republican Party want to see anything cut besides Big Biird or is it all talk?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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Is there anything stopping the house from negotiating. The ball has been in their court. What cuts have the Republicans put forth?

Neither party wants to own what needs to be done to Medicare so the can continues to be kicked.

Is the Republican Party going to stand and demand SNAP benefits be halved?
Hoe bout cutting back on unemployment benefits?

Does the Republican Party want to see anything cut besides Big Biird?
The Republicans are cowards. They ran on a platform of spending cuts, pounding that unspecified message home again and again and again for months during the campaign, but when it comes right down to it, they don't have the guts to put the cuts they really want on the table. Instead, they want the President to make their argument for them. Cowards!
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Right now it would be a waste of time for Congress to propose specific spending cuts because Obama will just wave his veto pen in the air. They have to get him to move on which cuts can be made.
I am going to wave the BS flag on this one.

Does Congress have anything better- more important to do than lay the cuts they want, on the line?
Obama cannot veto that which does not exist.

Is the Teas Party just hot air?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Republicans are cowards. They ran on a platform of spending cuts, pounding that unspecified message home again and again and again for months during the campaign, but when it comes right down to it, they don't have the guts to put the cuts they really want on the table. Instead, they want the President to make their argument for them. Cowards!


Where did those Paul Ryan cuts go?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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It's not government spending that ails the US economy but the inability of the country to reinvent a 21st century economy. AS long as the hope persists that high paying blue collar jobs will come back and save the country the economy will continue to languish.

Those jobs disappeared never to return and the country moved on to a different model. If the country had insisted that the economy remain based on the old model any progress would have been inpossible.

There is a huge NEED to begin to shift the economy to a new model.
The problem is we did shift the model, but the model was a conspicuous consuming debt driven economy which came crashing down on us 4 years ago.

Americans have been in a state of shock and confusion ever since.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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As of this week, there's one plan on the table, and it's Obama's. Boehner & Co. don't like it? Fine. Where's their competing plan?
That's what so great about this ..... Speaker Boehner doesn't have to do anything. Just let the Bush tax cuts expire. He could announce that taxes were being allowed to return to the levels that President Clinton gave us.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The problem is we did shift the model, but the model was a conspicuous consuming debt driven economy which came crashing down on us 4 years ago.

Americans have been in a state of shock and confusion ever since.
The real new model was the creation of trillions of dollars of worthless financial instruments by wall street. Something like 50% of the growth of the economy under GW Bush was in the financial sector. That is the model that crashed the economy.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I get dizzy watching that old geezer. She might shake that smile right off her face. And Harry Reid, Both OLD WHITE PEOPLE.
Isn't funny how Dem Liberals talk about "old white men" as Republicans. These 2 are obsolete dinosaurs.

The Dems should just stay quiet on criticizing any type of leadership.
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