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Old 12-04-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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No,...Obama ran on a proposal HALF of what he now is wanting. Why not just triple or quadruple the amount he campaigned for before the election?

By your way of think,...Obama won,...so he can do what he damned well pleases, up to and including violating the Constitution. After all,...he was "reelected".

You people are scary.
The state of this country is just plain scary right now. People focused on social issues during the election and our biggest problems are not social. They are economic.

Yea, social issues won, now what will be done about our real problems? Unemployment, food stamps, people having to choose between gas to get to work and food on the table?

I would rather have heard more about our pockets instead of our bedrooms.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No,...Obama ran on a proposal HALF of what he now is wanting.
No, all of it actually (part of his proposal was a part of Budget Cut Act last year). The question is, are you even aware of his proposals? None of your kind seem to be.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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No,...Obama ran on a proposal HALF of what he now is wanting. Why not just triple or quadruple the amount he campaigned for before the election?

By your way of think,...Obama won,...so he can do what he damned well pleases, up to and including violating the Constitution. After all,...he was "reelected".

You people are scary.
You want to talk scary? Consider what the GOP wants to do to Medicare and Social Security. They actually do want to throw granny off the cliff. And the GOP had the nerve to suggest massive cuts to these paid in programs that affect the poor. The GOP suggests this now after they criticized Obama, for cutting 7 billion from Medicare, during the campaign.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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You want to talk scary? Consider what the GOP wants to do to Medicare and Social Security. They actually do want to throw granny off the cliff. And the GOP had the nerve to suggest massive cuts to these paid in programs that affect the poor. The GOP suggests this now after they criticized Obama, for cutting 7 billion from Medicare, during the campaign.
No,...that was $716 billion over 10 years.

This is not as scary, as Obama's continuation of the 2% cut to FICA taxes that has been in effect for several years,...and that he wants to extend again. Obama seems determined to break social security rather than make repairs to it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No,...that was $716 billion over 10 years.

This is not as scary, as Obama's continuation of the 2% cut to FICA taxes that has been in effect for several years,...and that he wants to extend again. Obama seems determined to break social security rather than make repairs to it.
That same $716b reduction was in the Ryan Plan, so they have nothing to complain about.

This basically sums it up:
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It goes without saying that the Republican “counteroffer†is basically fake. It calls for $800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes, but doesn’t specify a single loophole to be closed; it calls for huge spending cuts, but aside from raising the Medicare age and cutting the Social Security inflation adjustment — moves worth only around $300 billion — it doesn’t specify how these cuts are to be achieved. So it’s basically the Paul Ryan method: scribble down some numbers and pretend that you’re a budget wonk with a Serious plan.

What I haven’t seen pointed out here is the longer arc of GOP strategy. Does anyone recall how the Bush tax cuts were passed? The 2001 cut was passed based on the claim that the government was running an excessive surplus; the 2003 cut on the claim that it would provide an economic boost. Then the surplus went away, and the economy did not, to say the least, perform very well.
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And the GOP says that because of that deficit we must raise the Medicare age and cut Social Security!

Oh, and for all the seniors or near-seniors who voted Republican because you thought they would protect Medicare from that bad guy Obama: you’ve been had.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No,...that was $716 billion over 10 years.
Also in Ryan plan, BTW. So, is that a bad idea, being a part of a much larger spending cut and revenue increase package to address deficits?

For that matter, why don't you go ahead and itemize spending cuts. The kind of politicians you support are unwilling to do that, may be you can do it for them?

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This is not as scary, as Obama's continuation of the 2% cut to FICA taxes that has been in effect for several years,...and that he wants to extend again. Obama seems determined to break social security rather than make repairs to it.
Social Security will be fine with minor tweaks. Obama didn't preside the economy into a disaster that led to lower SS revenue. He is trying to get the economy back growing faster. At least he appreciates a better multiplier than y'all do.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Also in Ryan plan, BTW. So, is that a bad idea, being a part of a much larger spending cut and revenue increase package to address deficits?

For that matter, why don't you go ahead and itemize spending cuts. The kind of politicians you support are unwilling to do that, may be you can do it for them?


Social Security will be fine with minor tweaks. Obama didn't preside the economy into a disaster that led to lower SS revenue. He is trying to get the economy back growing faster. At least he appreciates a better multiplier than y'all do.
Not saying whether it is a good or bad idea,...just that there is a vast difference between $7 billion and $716 billion.

It's not my place to do Obama's work for him. This is OBAMA'S economy (even though he would like to continue to blame someone else for his dismal failures), so it's Obama/democrats' job to get the nation out of this mess. It's easy to see that you are simply a partisan parrot who want to blame someone else for the messiah's failures.

Obama refuses to address the real problems that face this nation, so he's waiting on the republicans to flinch so he can blame them for everything.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Not saying whether it is a good or bad idea,...just that there is a vast difference between $7 billion and $716 billion.
You care to "correct" the number, just don't care for the numbers themselves. Okay.

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It's not my place to do Obama's work for him.
You can't. That is why I ask you to do the work for the idiots you support because they are refusing to. Hence I ask again: Go ahead and itemize spending cuts, as presented by republicans.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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You care to "correct" the number, just don't care for the numbers themselves. Okay.


You can't. That is why I ask you to do the work for the idiots you support because they are refusing to. Hence I ask again: Go ahead and itemize spending cuts, as presented by republicans.
It's not difficult to see where the spending cuts are,...if you would do some listening and reading. But, since you dimbulbs have to be spoon-fed, here is a link for you to begin:

Makings of a fiscal deal behind the hot rhetoric - SFGate

If you believe that raising taxes on people making over $250,000 will solve this country's economic woes,...then you probably still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That same $716b reduction was in the Ryan Plan, so they have nothing to complain about.

This basically sums it up:
Ask 0bama how he planned to raise $1.2 trillion w/o raising taxes, and just closing loopholes.


Obama 2011: We can get $1.2 trillion in revenues without raising tax rates - YouTube
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