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Old 12-03-2012, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Shocking, since it would have reduced Romney's tax rate from 13% to 0.82%.
I am sure Romney supports it now, heck Romney has probably been busy correcting last year's taxes to get all the deductions he can that it omitted during the election.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It only seems to people that the Republicans have nothing to offer, because Harry Reid refuses to have a debate or vote on Ryan's bi-partisan budget plan.
Actually... no. It seems that the Republicans have nothing to offer because to this point they haven't offered anything.

Not even the Ryan plan.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Actually... no. It seems that the Republicans have nothing to offer because to this point they haven't offered anything.

Not even the Ryan plan.
Yeah, I wonder when they plan on offering something other than "to tax increases."
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Try this blast from the past. Paul Ryan jukes, dives, runs and hides from his own budget in this interview with Fox's Britt Hume.

Paul Ryan on Medicare, budget plan, relationship with Romney | Fox News Video
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:16 AM
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Try this blast from the past. Paul Ryan jukes, dives, runs and hides from his own budget in this interview with Fox's Britt Hume.

Paul Ryan on Medicare, budget plan, relationship with Romney | Fox News Video
Classic! PR had every imaginable number about BO, but nothing regarding his own. And this was on FOX?!
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Even Romney refused to support it.
On Tuesdays and Thursdays.

On Fridays, he liked it. On Mondays, he adored it.

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Old 12-03-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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It only seems to people that the Republicans have nothing to offer, because Harry Reid refuses to have a debate or vote on Ryan's bi-partisan budget plan. The Republican controlled house has sent dozens of spending, taxing, and budget bills to the senate, all bi-partisan. But the partisan Democratic senate refuses to look at them, so to the ignorant masses, it seems like we have a "do nothing congress" when actually we have a partisan, obstructionist, do nothing senate.
Rep. Tom Cole: Republicans Don’t Need to Present a Plan Yet - ABC News

Two problems with you post:

1. If its your position that the republicans have a plan, and those plans are the bills that were passed in the house, and not the senate, than why haven't they said that to Obama, or at the very least, mentioned that to the media

2. It seems like one of your guys acknowledges they don't have a plan, or at best, isn't going to present one
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It only seems to people that the Republicans have nothing to offer, because Harry Reid refuses to have a debate or vote on Ryan's bi-partisan budget plan. The Republican controlled house has sent dozens of spending, taxing, and budget bills to the senate, all bi-partisan. But the partisan Democratic senate refuses to look at them, so to the ignorant masses, it seems like we have a "do nothing congress" when actually we have a partisan, obstructionist, do nothing senate.
You can cut the talking about how "bi-partisan" Paul Ryan's plan is. According to TPM,
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The Romney campaign’s lone evidence that Ryan is a bipartisan leader amounts to a vague blueprint he co-wrote with Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) late last year that mirrors key elements of his Medicare plan. Wyden voted against Ryan’s budget and said Romney’s characterization of their work was dishonest.
There is no reason for the Senate to debate Ryan's dishonest budget that fails to reduce the deficit but does what every Republican budget proposes -- cut taxes on the wealthy and slashes services for everyone else.

We should not be shocked that the GOP won't provide any detail, we just finished a campaign where Romney/Ryan claimed that they would raise revenue by closing loopholes but failed to name a single loophole they would close.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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It only seems to people that the Republicans have nothing to offer, because Harry Reid refuses to have a debate or vote on Ryan's bi-partisan budget plan. The Republican controlled house has sent dozens of spending, taxing, and budget bills to the senate, all bi-partisan. But the partisan Democratic senate refuses to look at them, so to the ignorant masses, it seems like we have a "do nothing congress" when actually we have a partisan, obstructionist, do nothing senate.
No democrats voted for the Ryan budget. 10 Republicans also voted against it the last time it was voted on.

Now, both chambers routinely pass legislation that the other does not take up. I think you're going to have a very difficult case to make if you're claiming that the House is less partisan.

Largely by virtue of the filibuster, the Senate is forced to be bi-partisan on any measure they pass when a single party does not have a super-majority (or the ability to whip 60 votes). In the 112th Congress, Senate Republicans are still an important part of the process. House Democrats are entirely irrelevant except on controversial votes that will split the Republican caucus.

So the House can send over, for lack of a better term, partisan legislation with the knowledge and security that the bill will not be taken up in the Senate. I say security because it's easy to engage in hyperbole when there are no consequences. The Ryan plan is legislative hyperbole. Its primary purpose is to score political points. While there are good ideas in there that both parties could agree on, a Republican controlled House and Senate would never actually pull the trigger on the Ryan voucher plan (for example), because the implementation of that policy would alienate a generation or two of voters.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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No democrats voted for the Ryan budget. 10 Republicans also voted against it the last time it was voted on.

Now, both chambers routinely pass legislation that the other does not take up. I think you're going to have a very difficult case to make if you're claiming that the House is less partisan.

Largely by virtue of the filibuster, the Senate is forced to be bi-partisan on any measure they pass when a single party does not have a super-majority (or the ability to whip 60 votes). In the 112th Congress, Senate Republicans are still an important part of the process. House Democrats are entirely irrelevant except on controversial votes that will split the Republican caucus.

So the House can send over, for lack of a better term, partisan legislation with the knowledge and security that the bill will not be taken up in the Senate. I say security because it's easy to engage in hyperbole when there are no consequences. The Ryan plan is legislative hyperbole. Its primary purpose is to score political points. While there are good ideas in there that both parties could agree on, a Republican controlled House and Senate would never actually pull the trigger on the Ryan voucher plan (for example), because the implementation of that policy would alienate a generation or two of voters.
I knew I heard rightwing heads exploding over here on C-D ... logic and actual facts -- blasphemy!!!!
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